Glock 19 vs CZ75 Compact vs. Beretta M9...

Just got back from the LGS today. Checked out a Gen4 G19. To my surprise, next to the 92fs, it actually felt better, and seemed to aim more easily. Apparently my natural hand position might actually favor a Glock, and the polymer did not feel odd to me. What is happening to me?:confused:
 
The G19 is a do all pistol to an extent. For summer carry I prefer to carry my S&W340PD.
The Beretta 92/M9 is a full sized weapon. I liked it when it was issued to me as a USAF SP. Fall and winter is not a problem for carry.
 
Papa D said:
Just got back from the LGS today. Checked out a Gen4 G19. To my surprise, next to the 92fs, it actually felt better, and seemed to aim more easily. Apparently my natural hand position might actually favor a Glock, and the polymer did not feel odd to me. What is happening to me?
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That's one of the big changes with Gen 4 Glocks: they have different (swappable) grip inserts/segments. Older models didn't have that. Install a different set of inserts and you'd likely feel differently.
 
The downside to the CZ is that the trigger will cam. You can feel it on every CZ 75 design.
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I think CZ USA or CZ Custom has a hammer that rids the camming. I was never sure of the camming's purpose (safety?).
 
As for parts, what parts do you need? I have pistols with thousands of rounds through them and I never needed to replace anything. If I did the internet is just a mouse cick away. I do get the point, but when I owned Glocks I never walked into my lgs looking for an extractor. I still ordered online. Mags might become a problem, but internal parts?
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Exec Ordr regarding parts?
 
Exec Ordr regarding parts?
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Don't buy it. It would have to apply to dozens of parts for every single make and model. They can barely figure out what it is about ARs that they want to ban and actually articulate it into law. Unless it was a Russian or Chinese owned firearms company where they could sanction the host country.
 
Don't buy it. It would have to apply to dozens of parts for every single make and model. They can barely figure out what it is about ARs that they want to ban and actually articulate it into law.
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I think CZ USA or CZ Custom has a hammer that rids the camming. I was never sure of the camming's purpose (safety?).
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The earliest "B"-model CZs didn't have a lot of hammer cam, and the pre-Bs didn't either. It seemed to get progressively worse, over the years. The suspicious among us feel the change was forced on CZ by corporate lawyers, trying to reduce CZ's potential liability. I don't know WHY it has become more noticeable...

(For those unfamiliar with the term, camming is when you see the hammer move BACK slightly before going forward when firing from the hammer-cocked position. The hammer drop/break isn't as clean and crisp as it could be.)

As noted above, there are after-market (drop-in) hammers available from Cajun Gun Works or the CZ Custom Shop that makes camming go away. A good gunsmith can slightly change the sear/hammer interface and make it disappear as well. As for the drop-in after-market parts: it's not a hard "swap out" if you just buy the hammer and do it yourself.

Properly done, the CZ single-action trigger can come close to the 1911 crisp single-action trigger with a clean, crisp break. (Some feel the CZ best trigger will only come with the removal of the firing pin block, too. I had a well-gunsmithed CZ 75B SA that kept the firing pin block, and it was very nice.)
 
After talking with my wife, she shared her budget concerns with me, so I am looking at the lower priced guns more seriously. My favorite there would be the S&W SD9VE. Any current/former owners want to share their experience? (I really dont like hearing about guys who know a guy who had a mechanic who talked to a customer who had a cousin...)
 
The S&W SD9VE is a much-improved version of a gun introduced some years ago -- when it was originally a close copy of the Glock design. (Glock took S&W to court and won on patent issues, I think.)

The trigger on the SD9VE is not the best -- and while S&W will improve it if you send it back to the factory -- having to send it back makes it a long "break-in" process.

There are many guns with good reputations for durability/liability that can be had USED for a reasonable price -- you don't have to buy NEW.

As suggested above, the SIG P2022 is a good solid gun. It's not highly regarded by many SIG lovers due, it seems, to the fact that it has a polymer frame rather than the metal SIG frame. Some of the newest SIGs also have polymer frames, and it offends many SIG loyalists.
 
As suggested above, the SIG P2022 is a good solid gun. It's not highly regarded by many SIG lovers due, it seems, to the fact that it has a polymer frame rather than the metal SIG frame. Some of the newest SIGs also have polymer frames, and it offends many SIG loyalists.
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I disagree with this 100%. Many Sig loyalist have one of these in the safe. It is the P250 IMHO that the Sig loyalist hate. ;)

The SP2022 trigger is unSig like in that it is long but very smooth in the DA trigger. DA reminds me of a revolver trigger. SA trigger is good but not as good as the traditional P series but when you consider the price it is a solid gun.

Mags are the downside with these pistols. Most of the time they come with only one these days vs the 3 of the days of the "German SP2022" which came with 3 and night sites but with the current free mag deal this pistols is a steal at the sub $400 price.
 
RE: SIG loyalists and SP2022s...

You may be right about the SP2022, but I never noticed any enthusiasm for the 2022 among the several SIG enthusiasts I know or have shot with; darned few of them had 2022s or the earlier (similar) 2340. While I often saw SIGs in our local IDPA matches, I saw only ONE 2022 (and that gun might have been a 2340.) When I asked about them, they all commented about the polymer frame...

I do agree about most SIG enthusiasts' disdain for the P250 -- and the frame and trigger seem to be the turnoff for most of those folks.

I acquired a 2340 some time back in a trade, same basic gun as the 2022, Slightly different shape on parts of the frame -- and the rails. But the slide looks the same, and the mags are the same. It was a good gun, but I was looking for something different. Probably should have kept it.
 
You may be right about the SP2022, but I never noticed any enthusiasm for the 2022 among the several SIG enthusiasts I know or have shot with; darned few of them had 2022s or the earlier (similar) 2340. While I often saw SIGs in our local IDPA matches, I saw only ONE 2022 (and that gun might have been a 2340.) When I asked about them, they all commented about the polymer frame...
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If you look over at the Sig Forum, a place I am not much of a fan of, you will see lots of love for the gun. Bruce Gray one of the best Sig smiths in the business carries one IIFC.

It is a good budget gun. I personally put it right there with just about any other DA/SA polymer. I used to own a HK USP 9mm and a P30 neither of which are still in the safe but the SP2022 remains!
 
I have shot all three of the firearms mentioned in the original post. The Beretta was wonderful as a range gun. The grip was very wide and I didn't like the slide mounted safety.
I qualify Expert or Distinguished Expert every year at my job with the Glock 19. Having said that, I wouldn't own one - they don't fit me and I hate the trigger.
Love the CZ75 Compact, but a GLOCK is a GLOCK[/quote
*Sigh*, and you're right, absolutely nothing can be done to make the Glock anything BUT a Glock... (PLEASE NOTE - HUMOR!)
I happen to be partial to CZ, although some here might be surprised by that. For the perfect range and carry CZ, I'd have to say I'd go with the CZ PCR, alloy frame, decocker, loaded chamber indicator, low mount Novak style sights, 14 round magazine with the classic look and feel of the original CZ-75.



You might be hard pressed to FIND a PCR, as it's been kinda shoved out of the way for the new CZ poly pistols, the P-07 and P-09. The P-07 Duty, especially the newest version, it quite the do-all sidearm. The ONE thing you might have an issue with, with the P-07 is the incredibly aggressive grip texturing - makes it hard to carry concealed if you're not wearing a garment underneath, as it cheese-graters your side while you walk.:eek:
If that's not an issue, and you like polymer, this really might be something to look into.



Buds Gun Shop online has them for $409 and change. Holsters are available, and parts, plus incredible custom gunsmithing for when you can afford it, if you want it, at http://cajungunworks.com/ They just got done with my CZ P-09, and the difference rocks.

CZ holsters are around, and while this company IS a bit pricey, I am VERY partial to the rigs from http://www.highnoonholsters.com/ - you get more than you pay for, IMHO.

Hope that helps, sir.
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Czech vs beretta's

I had a full size CZ excellent pistol good ergonomic cannot go wrong. I just didn't trip my trigger so to speak. Have a full size 92 and a compact 92. The compact shoots so well that you almost have to try to miss. A crossbreed holster does not care if it is full size or compact. Magazines beretta has them on their website sometimes on sale. I love the compact! I have never owned a Glock but I have shot them too much grip angle for my style/hold of a pistol they also shot to the left for me. The compact 92 is smoother than my CZ was and shoots better also.
 
Own the Glock and CZ P-01 Compact but have fired all 3.

If I have more than 1 gun, I would pick the CZ because it just fits your hand like a glove and are great shooters and very accurate.

If it is to be my only one for some time, I would take the Glock 19 because they are great in their own right and mags / parts are cheap.
 
"If you like the CZ compact you might check out the Tristar C-100. Won't find a pretty blued or stainless finish, but the guns are generally of high quality and the price is right."

Actually I have read lots of bad stuff about the rifling in the barrels of these guns, and terrible customer service. Does anyone own one that can tell me otherwise?
Nothing wrong with the S&W Glock... err I mean SD9VE. It's the GLOCK knock off (S&W sued by Glock for the design of predecessor) priced what everyone knows the GLOCK should be sold for. Flame on. :cool:
 
The S&W SD9VE is what it is. It is a avg at best polymer gun which is not refined and does not stand out except for the price. I am astounded that they still make it honestly. The trigger is better than the old Sigma but I would still say it's below avg at best.

You are really stepping down from the original guns you were considering if you go with this gun IMHO. That said they go bang when you pull the trigger and if you are stuck at that price point and you are willing to consider used and you like it go for it.

Don't take this the wrong way but it seems like you are not really looking for suggestions or advice but instead are looking for validation of choices you have made. In he end get the gun you are comfortable with in the price point you want to/can spend and go shoot. Honestly the cost of the gun even at the $500 price point is going to be quickly eclipsed by the cost if actually shooting it.

It seems like this is a big purchase for your house hold. If I were you I would wait. Save save save so you can get a quality gun. YMMV
 
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