Glock 17 vs Beretta 92FS in reliability

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Irfan

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Which one pistol is more reliable: Glock 17 or Beretta 92FS? I just want to hear your opinion or experience.
 
You could spend thousands of hours and thousands of dollars testing these two excellent pistols. When the smoke cleared the results would probably be so close that you couldn't tell the difference. Get the one with the operating system you prefer and that you feel most comfortable with. Gene
 
Absolutely no difference in reliability. But my G17 is more accurate than my 92FS. :D :D :D

[This message has been edited by thequickad (edited April 27, 2000).]
 
I can't comment on the 17, but I have a stainless beretta 92 and a glock 23 (I'm told that the 9mm glocks are a little more reliable than the .40's, but not much). I can be impartial because I love both. I have had several misfeeds with the glock, most of which I think was due to weak springs (I have replaced the mag springs with Wolf springs and the slide spring with a new glock factory one). I also had 2 failures to ignite with the Beretta, but that was with crappy Norinco ammo which I was later told had particularly tough primers. While they are both excellent firearms, reliability-wise I would have to go with the beretta.
 
whenever i rate guns on their reliability i always start it like this:

1. berettas and glocks

i really could not choose. my beretta 92FS has proven itself 100% reliable in over 3000 rounds that i have put thru it. i really love my beretta and i thought no gun could come close to it until i got my Glock 19.

i have only put about 300 rounds thru it so far but it hasn't jammed yet. and i shoot it better than the beretta (i like the trigger better).
 
The weight of the Glock makes it easier for all day carry (I love my 19).

Reliability: equal, I'm told. Glocks have been outstanding in my experience.

Trigger: I prefer the Glock. Not a DA/SA fan.

If weight and trigger are NOT factors, flip a coin!
 
Glock 17 over the Beretta 92...hands down.
I have fired about 3000 rds thru my M9 over the last two weeks with few problems (had two failures to completely lock into battery after about 2000 rds and a lot of sand and dirt). A quick field strip and cleaning took care of that problem. Those two failures were not the fault of the weapon. The Beretta generally goes like the Eveready Bunny...right up until the locking block lets go (this happened to 3 pistols on the range last week...one was mine). At last count, 37 locking block failures (cracked or sheared lugs) out of 82 pistols over the last 12 months. I'm not impressed...My unit just replaces the Berettas once a year and we hope for the best...while waiting for promised SIGs.

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The Beretta 92, by a hair, but I still trust my life to a Glock.

Hey, Irfan, are you Irfan Skiljan? If so, I've got IrfanView and I love it!
 
I don't have any experience with the 9mm Model 92, but I do have with the .40 Model 96. I personally have never had any reliability problems, but other officers have. It is quite probable that it was due to maintenance, or lack thereof, since once the guns were thoroughly cleaned and springs replaced, no more problems.

I have a personal Glock M19 and an issued M22 (.40). Never had a problem with either, except with crappy reloads, and I don't really count that. I have only seen one M22 with problems, and that was because of a faulty magazine.

I vastly prefer the Glock operating system and the grip size to the Beretta, but that is strictly personal opinion, as I know several who feel otherwise. Use whatever works for you best.
 
I've shot several 9mm Glocks and Beretta 92s and Centurions. And I've got one question for starters. . .

How many Beretta's can routinely go 200,000 plus rounds without a hiccup. I haven't heard of any. The Beretta's here in Seattle just don't get rented very much.

Even the Border Patrol is rethinking their choice and looking at Glocks.

Beretta's are also not known for the accuracy. They're big and bad looking but you need bigger hands for it.

The only reason the US Army chose the Beretta is because it was cheaper, had an external safety, and they had a plant in the US - otherwise the Sig P226 outperformed it.

Last time I checked, there have always been plenty of used Beretta 92s and Centurions in many of the gun shops - at least around here in Seattle. They just sit there waiting for someone who wants a big heavy gun that is best suited for pistol whipping rather than accuracy.

Ask yourself -

Why don't I see many used Glocks? Because a 1984 Glock 17 still functions great with its original parts and still fetches $450.

How many 13 year old guns retain 95% of their value - not the Berettas. They don't last that long they either rust or get scrapped by PDs for Glocks.

Don't waste your time or your money. Go with the industry standard of reliability - the Glock. The FBI, DEA, SS, ATF, State Patrols, and local police agencies can't be wrong.

I just think there is ususally wisdom with numbers and Glock has taken the market.

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[This message has been edited by jtduncan (edited April 28, 2000).]
 
I own the G23C and a 92. I love both I've found both to be very accurate. If this is going to be a carry gun and your set on 9mm go with the Glock 19. Last year on vacation though I carried the 92. So get one of both!! :)

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Guns that are shot alot break. Handguns, Rifles or Shotguns--------you name it they break.

I believe that the Glock is durable however, you hear about more Kabooms with a Glock than any other handgun by far. Will the Glock outlast the Beretta? Probably. Will the Beretta provide a reaonable service life with normal care and the avoidance of excessive amounts of +P? Yes.

The Beretta 92FS is accurate. I have owned Glocks, Sigs and Berettas and I have shot all of them frequently. Two weeks ago at the range, I shot beside a Glock 19 9mm, Sig 228 9mm and a 1991A1 .45ACP. At 7 yards and 15 yards I tore all of them up in the accuracy department in slow and rapid fire. Where they had holes close to each other, I had one big jagged union of holes touching each other.

Furthermore, the recoil of the 92FS is almost non-existent allowing the user to stay on target in fast shooting sequences. The Beretta will digest anything you feed it---low power, high power and in between. As for the size of the gun, the 4.9" barrel makes any 9mm load scream even the 147 gr Speer Gold Dot HP-----my favorite.

Yes the Glock 17 is a tank but I cannot stand idly by while the 92FS takes a bashing. I have tried most of them out there and for a carry gun that is shot a little and toted alot, the 92FS makes sense. In this application, I will put the reliability of it on par with any pistol made in the world today. If you shoot like Chindo18Z, you may want to look at the Glock or HK. Even then, you will have problems since the laws of physics cannot be overcome by man. Again, guns that are shot alot break. Chuck Taylor shot a Glock 17 over 150K and the extractor flew out but that was'nt a failure. You see in Glockland extractor failures are'nt break-downs and when a Kabbom happens it's never Glock's fault although they happen frequently. Blame Adam and Eve for this dilemna. BTW, the grip screws on Sigs will rust just as easily as on a Beretta and FWIW I have had a NIB Sig that would not function and had to be sent back to the factory. I have seen P 229 duty weapons with severly corroded grip screws as well. Frankly, the most durable Handguns I have seen are a customized 1911 and a Ruger P90.

Have a great weekend.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
WillBeararms: Glad to jump into (again) the great 92 vs. Glock debate...but this time, I happen to agree with almost all of what you posted. All in all, the Beretta is a good pistol. If it were not for the admittedly heavy use we require out of ours, the damn thing would get no complaints from me. I would always feel well armed with a Beretta (except for the locking block problem).
BTW, anyone know what has become of PlusPInc? He usually weighs in on these posts. Haven't seen him in the Forums lately...
 
I have both and love them the same. However, when the wife shoots the Glocks 17 or 23 she gets a jam (weak wristed I guess) When shooting the Beretta she never gets stoppage. I carry the Glock because of Department rules (DAO) but would have no problem carrying a 92F.
 
When the topic of durability rears its ugly head the Berettas must bow out of the competition. I have been told at various LEO Armorers and Firearms Instructor Schools that I have attended through the years, that U.S. Army Berettas have their slides replaced at 1000 rounds due to the slide breakage problems. Thats why they put the slide retention device on the 92SFs, so that no more personnel would not be injured by slides flying off of the backs of the guns. IMHO a slide should last the life of the handgun. I have a manual from an FBI LEO Revolver to Transistion school that I attended that really tells the tale on the alloy frame problems in handguns. FBI tests conducted in the late 1980s determined that any handgun with a major component made of aluminum had a projected life expectancy of 5000 rounds. That includes Sigs, Berettas, Smith & Wessons etc. Thats why the FBI did not and advised us not to adopt an alloy frame handgun for our agencys at the transistion school. If I ever figure how to use this blasted scanner that Santa brought me I will post parts of the FBI manual that I think you guys may find of interest. This is not gun rag info, I never saw it in any of the main stream gun rags back then.

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Both are fine pistols.

The Glock will outlast the Beretta, but really, how many people really shoot 100,000+ rounds?

I prefer the Glock operating system, but I have been tempted by the Beretta. I have a Beretta 950 BS Jetfire that is a little jewel of a pistol and so am impressed by Berettas and the Cougar also interests me.

However I own a G17 and G19 and I am in love with their practicality.

Can't go wrong with either.
 
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