Glaser Rounds
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They belong in the same category with Extreme Shock, DRT, and the other gimmick rounds. Even if they weren't a gimmick, at their price per round, would you shoot enough of them through your weapon to ensure reliability? Shoot what you carry, carry what you shoot.
Best bet is to stick with quality standard JHP's from proven manufacturers.
Best bet is to stick with quality standard JHP's from proven manufacturers.
I believe that one of them fired through the ribs would be just as deadly as a truck running over your head. I have a feeling that a typical combat situation would be far better served by use of a standard combat hollow point. I especially don't like the idea of not being able to accuracy and reliability test them.
Mike Irwin
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Take the money would you spend buying 6 of these rounds and spend it on a box of 24 or 50 quality hollow point rounds.
Edward429451
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I've been swaging my own Glasers but instead of the blue ball for a tip I've been using a single 00 Buck for a tip which increases the typical weight to 200 grains and oh my God are these things accurate!
I do not carry them or anything, just target practice. I think they make me look better than I am
I should do some penetration and chrony tests this summer I suppose.
I do not carry them or anything, just target practice. I think they make me look better than I am
I should do some penetration and chrony tests this summer I suppose.
teumessian_fox
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They were hot stuff back in the day but turned out to be ineffective. #12 chilled shot suspended in liquid teflon, weren't they? Anyway, if the perp was wearing a heavy jacket, etc, the energy was expended before the shot hit the vitals, making them useless.
They still sell those things?
They still sell those things?
Glassers are designed to penetrate something such as a heavy jacket or drywall and then start expanding the shot. They don't explode on contact
. The ballistic tests are impressive and the pellets them self will penetrate for 10 to 12 inches.I've seen X-Rays of a would be carjacker that was shot in the head. Normal entry through the skull, then the shot pellets bounced against the other side. I think it is a matter of choice on using them. Probably just as good as any thing on the market, they just cost too much to insure proper functioning in your specify firearm. JMHO
. The ballistic tests are impressive and the pellets them self will penetrate for 10 to 12 inches.I've seen X-Rays of a would be carjacker that was shot in the head. Normal entry through the skull, then the shot pellets bounced against the other side. I think it is a matter of choice on using them. Probably just as good as any thing on the market, they just cost too much to insure proper functioning in your specify firearm. JMHOteumessian_fox
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Edward429451
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The old Flatpoint Glasers shot was not compressed and were not stable, thus innaccurate. The newer Glasers do have compressed shot and no teflon either. I can not tell you if they are inaccurate because I have not spent the money on the "real" Glasers to test. All I can tell you is that my homemade ones have compressed shot and tightly controlled weights and shoot like Match Bullets.
I think I've destroyed more Glasers than I've shot dissecting them. I have some tall jackets and plan to swage some 230 gr slugs to load for my 454 casull just for fun.
I think I've destroyed more Glasers than I've shot dissecting them. I have some tall jackets and plan to swage some 230 gr slugs to load for my 454 casull just for fun.
orionengnr
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You know, about 1983 or so I read an article on them in "Combat Handguns" and was impressed...for a short while (mosty because I knew nothing).
You know that saying about "no such thing as a free lunch"? Well, that applies in terminal ballistics, too. In theory, the Glaser is great. In practice, it has come up dismally short of expectations.
There is a reason no LOA carries them. That reason is...care to guess? Because they are a notoriously poor and unreliable penetrator.
Glaser?
Too much chance of pre-mature expansion for my money. a tough 115gr or regular 124gr JHP in 9mm will be fine- Cor-Bon or Hydrashok.
glasers are probably better suited to a revolver anyway.
In summer months, and if your attacker will not be wearing inches of blubber to adsorb the energy before it hits vital tissue.
One point to remember- althought the glasers have high energy, it is MOMENTUM that cycles the slide, and the lighter bullet has less of it, even if it is going faster. Do the math. light recoil means more chance of short-cycling the slide if you are not bucking the frame properly, something typically done more in stress situations.
I typically run 100-200 rounds though a pistol with the ammo i'll use for defense, not a cheap prospect with any decent defense ammo, forget it with the glasers, unless you can afford it.
Personally, i would NOT want to be shot with one, be it summer, winter, or even if i pack on 100 pounds...
Too much chance of pre-mature expansion for my money. a tough 115gr or regular 124gr JHP in 9mm will be fine- Cor-Bon or Hydrashok.
glasers are probably better suited to a revolver anyway.
In summer months, and if your attacker will not be wearing inches of blubber to adsorb the energy before it hits vital tissue.
One point to remember- althought the glasers have high energy, it is MOMENTUM that cycles the slide, and the lighter bullet has less of it, even if it is going faster. Do the math. light recoil means more chance of short-cycling the slide if you are not bucking the frame properly, something typically done more in stress situations.
I typically run 100-200 rounds though a pistol with the ammo i'll use for defense, not a cheap prospect with any decent defense ammo, forget it with the glasers, unless you can afford it.
Personally, i would NOT want to be shot with one, be it summer, winter, or even if i pack on 100 pounds...
Mike Irwin
Staff
"They don't explode on contact"
Well, maybe the design isn't intended to explode on contact...
Unfortunately, all too often, that's pretty much exactly what happens.
In my experience, VERY inconsistent to the point where they simply can't be counted on to deliver the many miracles claimed for them.
Well, maybe the design isn't intended to explode on contact...
Unfortunately, all too often, that's pretty much exactly what happens.
In my experience, VERY inconsistent to the point where they simply can't be counted on to deliver the many miracles claimed for them.
Glaser Safety Slugs, "exotic" handgun rounds...
The Glaser line was sold in the US market in both a blue & a silver model(slightly more powerful & a different design). When CorBon bought Glaser, they changed the line and to my knowledge, only sell the "blue" type Glaser Safety Slug.
I for one see some merit to the use of exotic or special purpose rounds like Magsafe, Glaser Safety Slugs, TAP rounds, etc. For larger calibers like .44magnum, .44spl, .41magnum these loads can prevent over-penetration, riccochets and other hazards in places like apt buildings, office complexes, malls, etc.
By my state law/policy, armed security-PIs can not carry or use "fragmented" rounds like the Glaser Safety Slugs while on duty. I asked a state panel member directly about why this restriction was made and he told me it was due to the low production standards & lack of quality/uniform performance.
I take issue with that state policy but I can understand the reasons.
I bought a few packs of ExtremeShockUSA .38spl about 6 years ago. They were pushed by the US gun press as a great protection-duty round in the post 9/11/2001 counter-terrorism world. I didn't think the ammunition was all that great and wouldn't be in a huge rush to by more.
As posted by other members, more popular factory brands & JHP styles can do just as well or better than Glaser Safety Slugs.
The Glaser line was sold in the US market in both a blue & a silver model(slightly more powerful & a different design). When CorBon bought Glaser, they changed the line and to my knowledge, only sell the "blue" type Glaser Safety Slug.
I for one see some merit to the use of exotic or special purpose rounds like Magsafe, Glaser Safety Slugs, TAP rounds, etc. For larger calibers like .44magnum, .44spl, .41magnum these loads can prevent over-penetration, riccochets and other hazards in places like apt buildings, office complexes, malls, etc.
By my state law/policy, armed security-PIs can not carry or use "fragmented" rounds like the Glaser Safety Slugs while on duty. I asked a state panel member directly about why this restriction was made and he told me it was due to the low production standards & lack of quality/uniform performance.
I take issue with that state policy but I can understand the reasons.
I bought a few packs of ExtremeShockUSA .38spl about 6 years ago. They were pushed by the US gun press as a great protection-duty round in the post 9/11/2001 counter-terrorism world. I didn't think the ammunition was all that great and wouldn't be in a huge rush to by more.
As posted by other members, more popular factory brands & JHP styles can do just as well or better than Glaser Safety Slugs.
Think about this:
Your life's on the line, and you have to shoot an attacker.
Any obstruction to a vital organ, be that a wrist, a forearm, the edge of a knife, a crowbar...any obstruction could cause the Glaser to fragment and expend its energy somewhere besides where that energy could have saved your life.
I used to carry Joe Zambone's original "MagSafe" ammo until someone explained that one, common sense fact to me.
Fragmenting ammo might work if you get a clean, obstructed shot to a vital.
What are the odds of that?
Your life's on the line, and you have to shoot an attacker.
Any obstruction to a vital organ, be that a wrist, a forearm, the edge of a knife, a crowbar...any obstruction could cause the Glaser to fragment and expend its energy somewhere besides where that energy could have saved your life.
I used to carry Joe Zambone's original "MagSafe" ammo until someone explained that one, common sense fact to me.
Fragmenting ammo might work if you get a clean, obstructed shot to a vital.
What are the odds of that?