FireForged
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The [X] is commonly referred to as the "line of attack".
Getting off the X: go left or right?
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The [X] is commonly referred to as the "line of attack".
OldMarksman
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Well, it's "x marks the spot", but it is usually a very good idea to move off the line of attack.
OldMarksman
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What?
I suggest reading post #10.
Several reasons for moving come to mind:
- To create distance fom an attacker,
- To access cover,
- To get to where you can shoot.
OldMarksman
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I have no idea what you are trying to say by asserting "you are moving because of you, not the attacker".
Well,"move towards cover, left or right doesn't matter, pick the closest cover" addresses only part of it.
If you were talking about a hand-to-hand situation, would you want to stand still and be a stationary target to be punched? Or, move and perhaps be harder for the "attacker" to punch?
It's difficult to punch and hit (especially effectively) a moving target. Ditto shooting one. The difficulty increases when you're also moving.
Picking a direction to "get off the x" depends on many things that are unpredictable, not the least of which is probably going to be the physical/postural orientation of yourself at the moment of discovering you want to MOVE.
The environmental conditions, and the orientation of the immediate threat from which you want to escape, are going to be further factors that might affect your action.
Lots of folks seem to want to over-think this sort of hypothetical situation. There's a reason they often use the words dynamic, rapidly changing and evolving in such situations. Better have your foundation skillset and ability to safely move more on the developed and well practiced end of things.
If someone has access to some properly supervised force-on-force training, using red/blue rubber guns, it might reveal some interesting things.
Risk management people like to keep everyone reminded and aware that good training ought to be done in a manner which reduces the risk of injuries.
Just chasing each other around rooms filled with furniture, using airsoft guns, isn't the same thing as carefully planned, conducted and supervised f-o-f training.
It's difficult to punch and hit (especially effectively) a moving target. Ditto shooting one. The difficulty increases when you're also moving.
Picking a direction to "get off the x" depends on many things that are unpredictable, not the least of which is probably going to be the physical/postural orientation of yourself at the moment of discovering you want to MOVE.
The environmental conditions, and the orientation of the immediate threat from which you want to escape, are going to be further factors that might affect your action.
Lots of folks seem to want to over-think this sort of hypothetical situation. There's a reason they often use the words dynamic, rapidly changing and evolving in such situations. Better have your foundation skillset and ability to safely move more on the developed and well practiced end of things.
If someone has access to some properly supervised force-on-force training, using red/blue rubber guns, it might reveal some interesting things.
Risk management people like to keep everyone reminded and aware that good training ought to be done in a manner which reduces the risk of injuries.
Just chasing each other around rooms filled with furniture, using airsoft guns, isn't the same thing as carefully planned, conducted and supervised f-o-f training.Glenn E. Meyer
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Just for the discussion. It is said to run to cover. Well, how far is cover? Are you shooting when you run to cover - otherwise you give the opponent a few seconds to shoot away at you. Some speculate you would be better to shoot back. How do you know that thing is cover? Is it just concealment that gets filled with lead as you arrive?
So many variables. There may be a difference from basically dodging a few steps to a run. Good idea to try FOF.
So many variables. There may be a difference from basically dodging a few steps to a run. Good idea to try FOF.
next time I will make sure I have the time to type the year book answer...
when I say move off the X, it is a left or right movement. if you are 10 feet in front of an assailant, moving 2 feet towards him or away from him in a straight line pretty much accomplishes nothing regarding getting off the X. however, moving 2 feet to either side is more beneficial.
when I say move off the X, it is a left or right movement. if you are 10 feet in front of an assailant, moving 2 feet towards him or away from him in a straight line pretty much accomplishes nothing regarding getting off the X. however, moving 2 feet to either side is more beneficial.
OldMarksman
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And it may be.
Of course, those are not the only choices.
I think the overriding principle is to improve your position. If cover is avail... Move to it
If youre out in the open and the attacker is closing distance, some lateral movement is prob a good idea. If i have some interviening barrier alreadybetween us it is foolish to step oout from behing it into the open.
Totally situationally dependent..
So, do you moove off the X or stay there.....Yes is the answer
If youre out in the open and the attacker is closing distance, some lateral movement is prob a good idea. If i have some interviening barrier alreadybetween us it is foolish to step oout from behing it into the open.
Totally situationally dependent..
So, do you moove off the X or stay there.....Yes is the answer
Tactical Jackalope
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Guys, always move. Always. What happens next is for the situation to dictate. Drawing, grabbing the gun, etc, etc, etc. We can pull out scenarios all day long with no right answer.
Glenn E. Meyer
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I asked a friend who runs a great many tactical classes. Analysis:
Sometimes moving to cover is the answer. Sometimes things happen so quickly that your best bet is to draw and shoot as quickly as possible. At extremely close range moving isn't going to make you that much harder to hit.
Very true, especially disarming techniques. There's often emphasis on being a "good role player".
Very true, especially disarming techniques. There's often emphasis on being a "good role player".
jerrys said:
As well as anything else claimed on the internet.
There are an infinite amount of situations and outcomes based on your decisions that you can claim will happen. Is your claim valid? Talk is cheap, no way to tell.
Even in force-on-force (Simunitions) training you'll find that the outcomes are not consistent, much less in the real world.
OldMarksman
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Moving is likely to work a lot better than standing still.