"Get Rid of the Damned Things" -- TIME magazine

Time Magazine!!!
It has been always, and I mean always, one of the leading Anti-Gun media magazines in the Nation...Never have spent a penny on one and never will. Their advertisers are always on my hit list and I let them know....Get rid of the damned things, YES, get rid of the executives/editors/board of directors of the DAMN Thing.. Get rid of the Times!

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To own firearms is to affirm that freedom and liberty are not gifts from the state.
 
"A more representative representative of public feeling on this issue is New York's Carolyn McCarthy, whom gun violence brought into politics when her husband was killed and her son grievously wounded by a crazed shooter on a Long Island Rail Road train in 1993. McCarthy made an emotional, sensible and ultimately ineffectual speech in the House in an effort to get a stronger measure passed." - well, from my perspective, Carolyn is not sensible. She is really more of an emotional simpleton. Yes, a tragic figure. But, while drowning in emotionalism, she clutches to the wrong solution.

"They are convinced, I believe, of something wholly untrue--that the possession of weapons gives them stature, makes them more American." - hmmm ... didn't this fellow just tell us it was not a good idea to demonize gun owners and trivialize their intelligence, etc.? Yes, this is certainly why I purchased a firearm. I just wasn't feeling 'American' enough, but that Ruger did the trick. What baloney.

"Lasting social change usually occurs when people decide to do something they know they ought to have done long ago but have kept the knowledge private. This, I believe, is what happened with civil rights, and it is happening with guns." - don't look now Roger, but the 2nd Amendment is a civil right. Unfortunately, simpletons like yourself are unwilling to actually step back, and take an honest look at the history and philosophy of self defense.

Time has become simply a polished and shiny version of the tabloids. The real question is whether Americans will continue to accept such drivel.
 
I posted this reply on Times discussion boards a couple of days ago ... so far no responses. Thought you might be interested:
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After reading Roger Rosenblatt's Get Rid of The Damned Things article I was left confused by the patronizing tone he takes toward gun ownership, juxtaposed with the earnest advice he gives to gun control advocates not to express prejudice toward gun owners.

According to Mr. Rosenblatt we who choose to own firearms are hapless victims of a myth created by Samuel Colt regarding the necessity of having a gun. I don't know about other gun owners but the pithy phrases attributed to Sam Colt having nothing at all to do with my decision to own a firearm.

Mr. Rosenblatt does address the issue of self-defense, referring to the scientific work done by Gary Kleck and Prof. John Lott. These studies show that guns are used millions of time per year for self-defense, and that the introduction of shall issue concealed carry legislation is associated with substantial reductions in crime. But he just mentions these studies and then goes on with his "get rid of 'em" diatribe. Do these statistics mean nothing? Did they register? Do you not believe them? Or is this a debate purely based on sentiment?

Mr. Rosenblatt misses the point entirely as he talks about the purported motivations of gun owners. Guns confer power Mr. Rosenblatt. This is not a hypothesis or a suggestion, it is a fact. Now those who promote gun control (or more appropriately here, bans on civilian ownership) are vested in the notion that, in the case of civilians, the idea that guns confer power is a myth, believed only by half-witted rednecks. Mr. Rosenblatt our government and nearly every government in the world expends tens of millions on guns each year ... why? Because in a nasty world the power derived from armed force is not an option it is a necessity. Balancing the power of the means of force was the motivation behind the Second Amendment. The idea that the government and its agents should be the only ones with access to the means of force was rightfully seen as antithetical to the principals this nation was founded upon. What applies to nations applies to individuals also, as Dr. Kleck and Prof. Lott have established so clearly. The concept of self-defense is considered rational and prudent when applied to national governments … but somehow is made to appear ridiculous and juvenile when applied to these nation's citizens.

If a body count of those killed by the abuse of this force is to be the determinate of which group needs to relinquish their right to the means of force, then national governments should be made to give up their guns immediately. After all, as a group national governments have been the most violent, homicidal entities in this century and many before it. Whereas more than 90% of U.S. gunowners will never abuse their right to arms in their entire lifetime, you 'd be hard-pressed to find a single nation that hasn't.

So how did we come to this notion that "no one need to have access to a gun except the police and military"? How did we come to demonize civilian gun ownership? How have we overlooked the fact that no nation which has implemented strict gun control or bans can attribute any reduction in violence and homicide to these restrictions? Gun control is the great liberal fantasy of the late Twentieth Century, if it seems inevitable now it is only because it has been marketed so well.
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The article:

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New gun-grabbing tact
for media

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© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Make no mistake about it: The mainstream media is this country's worst enemy on the issue of the Second Amendment. And after another recent spate of shootings -- perpetrated not by guns alone but by deranged, psychopathic losers using guns -- the spin machine has been ratcheted up to full steam.
A piece in this week's Time magazine by author Roger Rosenblatt says it all: "Get rid of the damned things!" and superficially it looks like little more than another media attempt to convince Americans that our society has outgrown the U.S. Constitution.

Rosenblatt uses some familiar socialist anti-gun themes, such as never assigning blame to the criminals and social misfits who commit heinous acts and offering only one solution, the total banning of guns. But his article is not, however, simply a rehash of tired, emotion-filled liberal dogma. It is conciliatory -- almost understanding -- of the pro-gun position. Rosenblatt even says that liberals typically ignore compelling evidence about gun ownership and the positive effect that has on crime by such notable researchers as Gary Kleck and John Lott, Jr.

That tact is a new one and it is sure to win anti-gun converts while throwing the pro-gun forces off-balance.

It isn't so much what Rosenblatt is saying as it is how he is saying it. He is attempting to use a proper mix of indignation, outrage, and calm "rational" appeal in order to make his point. He even goes out of his way not to demonize the NRA, and admonishes his mostly liberal readers not to stereotype gun owners as apes who drag their knuckles, live in the South and answer to the name, "Bubba." He even admits that most pro-gun advocates are of equal intelligence and standing with "urban liberals" -- a notion that probably made urban liberals recoil in disgust.

"Gun-control forces also ought not to make reform an implicit or explicit attack on people who like and own guns," he said. "Urban liberals ought to be especially alert to the cultural bigotry that categorizes such people as hicks, racists, psychotics and so forth. For one thing, a false moral superiority is impractical and incites a backlash among people otherwise sympathetic to sensible gun control, much like the backlash the pro-abortion rights forces incurred once their years of political suasion had ebbed. And the demonizing of gun owners or even the NRA is simply wrong. The majority of gun owners are as dutiful, responsible and sophisticated as most of their taunters."

But be advised: Rosenblatt's conciliatory approach is nothing but a trap.

In appearing to be "understanding" of the pro-gun position while exuding a coat of calm rationality, he is making it extremely difficult to argue with him. It's as if he's saying, "Look, we both know guns are legal but come on -- we ought to do the right thing and get rid of them because they're just not good for our society anymore."

Rosenblatt then quantifies his conciliation by proposing an amazing fact -- that "now, more than ever," most Americans are finally beginning to support more gun control. To demonstrate the allegedly authenticity of this claim, he uses a number of regionalized examples from different communities across the country to "prove" we have had enough of guns and the violence they cause.

"Gun-control sentiment is everywhere in the country these days -- in the White House, the presidential campaigns, the legislatures, the law courts and the gun industry itself," he wrote. "But it seems nowhere more conspicuous than in the villages, the houses of worship and the consensus of the kitchen. There comes a time in every civilization when people have had enough of a bad thing. ..."

Calm, rational, conciliatory. As every good liberal writer does, Rosenblatt has presented the problem, made an attempt to be "fair" by presenting the "opposing view," then provided an answer that cannot be readily disputed without tons of research. Plus, he makes his argument "sound" right, not irrational, and for millions of people that's enough.

In the weeks to come look for more of this kind of covert -- and overt -- anti-gun rhetoric from the mainstream media. The full-court press is on and the headlines in the newspapers seem to validate the argument that America is tired of guns and the crimes committed with them -- even if there is no proof that is true.

Granted, Americans should be concerned about all this gun violence. But the media is turning the debate over guns into a matter of national conscience, not simply a matter of the rule of law -- probably because liberals have discovered they cannot satisfactorily refute the simple meaning of our right to keep and bear arms.

Understand one thing: These people are helping Uncle Sam come after our guns. They don't understand that if we lose our ability to defend all constitutional rights, the next one to go will be freedom of speech.

God help this country then, because we all know what will happen next.

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John/az

"The middle of the road between the extremes of good and evil, is evil. When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..."

http://www.countdown9199.com



[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited August 10, 1999).]
 
John/az:

You beat me to it :) I just read the article and was going to post it here.

I can't belive I got caught by their tactics.
(see my reply when Bruce first posted this topic).

I'm very Pro-Gun and if they caught me off guard,
I wonder how many others took the bait :(

For my punishment....

I will go to the range.
Leave a slight gap between my shoulder and the butt of the gun.
Shoot 5 12ga rounds :)

Jon...


[This message has been edited by DrJon (edited August 10, 1999).]
 
DrJon,

You should be harder on yourself for such a mistake.

Take 2 guns to the range.

Leave NO gap between you shoulder and gun-butt but increase your expended shells to 10.

Expend at least 50 rounds with your other one, if it's a pistol or rifle.

:) :) ;) :)

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John/az

"The middle of the road between the extremes of good and evil, is evil. When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..."

http://www.countdown9199.com
 
Maybe I can get my wife to punish me too :)

Jon...


[This message has been edited by DrJon (edited August 10, 1999).]
 
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