GeorgeWBush - His Ideas on guns

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Westtexas,
1) “Lib's give it up. You are trying to smear Bush.”
(chuckle) So by quoting Bush we’re smearing him.

2) “If you cared about RKBA, you'd support the only candidate with a chance
of winning.”
Sorry, but nobody here is qualified to tell me what I care about. The only
reason to vote for Bush’s gun control program is fear of Gore’s gun control
program. If enough people cared about our RKBA as much as they say,
neither Gore nor his protege Republican would be in the race.

3) “By voting Browne, you're a becoming a closet Gore supporter.”
By voting for Bush, you support part of Gore’s anti-gun agenda.
A vote for Bush is 1/2 vote for Gore. (That one's for you, Joe! :D )
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All,

Gore is a nightmare. Bush is a bad dream. Electing anyone else is merely
dreaming.

If I vote for a third party, and Bush wins, Republicans figure gun owners have
no power and can be raped at will.

If I vote for a third party, and Bush loses, gun owners will be raped because
of Gore.

If I vote for Bush, whether he wins or loses, he knows gun owners will vote
away their gun rights because we fear the Democrats. So, if Bush wins, he then signs
important bills with anti-gun amendments because he “has no choice”.

Looks to me like we’re screwed no matter what we do.

How did we get here? Every election in the past forty years has been
“different” and “critical” for some cause and we have been told to vote
“pragmatically, just this once.”

So, now we must pay hundreds of dollars for the “privilege” of exercising a
small, limited part of our Second Amendment Rights.

So, now we must pay hundreds of dollars pleading for the federal government
to give us permission to obtain a license to exercise the “privilege” of owning
a full-auto firearm.

So, now we have states ignoring the Constitution saying, “If you have this
kind of rifle, you’ve got a problem.”

So, now our nation’s Capital is a cess pool of crime where decent people are
not permitted to own a firearm.

So, now we have to be afraid of driving up I-95 in a U-Haul truck because
police may stop us and search our property for drugs and firearms.

So, now we virtually outlaw devices that muffle the retort of a firearm and
then have lawsuits about the noise of gun ranges.

So, now we can not have large amounts of cash in our homes because it is
“legally inadvisable”.

So, now we can not pull $10,000 cash out of our savings without completing
federal government “tracking” forms.

It goes on and on. The list never ends. And we keep voting for the same
tyranny time after time because “this time it’s different”.

Now we’ll tell kids they can go to war, fight and die, but they will be
forbidden to own a firearm at the very home, in the very country, they are
fighting and dieing for.

Now we’ll outlaw standard capacity magazines because we believe bad guys
can not reload quickly and good guys shouldn’t.

Well, if you’ve been around longer than all week, you notice a trend here.
We continue to be cursed with increasingly severe restrictions, none of which
are repealed. We have so many laws that we are in violation of some law or
another nearly at any given moment.

The Republicans have abandoned us! We did not leave them! They became
faux Democrats and partners in the crime of turning America into a Socialist
state acceptable to the United Nations and the “world village”.

So now we must vote for gun control to save our Right to Keep and Bear
Arms. It’s hilarious how we profess to be pro-RKBA while we grease the skids
on the slippery slope into tyranny.

Before Republican supporters tell me to take a “reality check”, take one
yourself.

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited July 13, 2000).]
 
Ok now this is a GREAT THREAD! :D

And I don't want to see this get locked down because we need to get this aired and fast.

If I was a anti-gunner, Claemore70 is a wet dream come true. That kind of talk gives ALL pro-gun groups a bad name. Talk about open revolution against the goverment, if not illegal, is just plain stupid. Your actions make it easier to convince the 60% of Americans who don't give a damn about guns to beleave "Rosie is Right" and someones going to blow up another Federal Building unless the BATF and FBI is given more leeway in chasing down "militias" and "Right Wing Wacko's"
In fact your doing HCI's job so well for them you MUST be a plant. Because your doing more work for them then for anyone else.

Rational Debate. Getting the Votes and Message out. We CAN win this.

If you want to prepare go ahead. Have fun, Dig your caches, watch Red Dawn, and play dress up in your cami's. Just don't be surprised when they come knocking on your door to collect you. And please for the love of God, don't be making a specticle out of yourselves when they do come. Your just making "Their" job easier.

And why are we fighting amongst ourselves? Let's remember the mission. RKBA and a free America.
 
Well, it *was* a great thread, until The Usual Suspects started yacking about how we're "smearing" Bush. :rolleyes:

As far as "For G-d's sake don't make a spectacle of yourself when they come for you," shall we instead go quietly into that good night?

Not me, sorry.
 
Dennis,

I have conceded to you that one vote for Brown is not one vote directly for Gore. Taking one vote away from Bush and giving it to Browne is like giving 1/2 of a vote to Al Gore.

Okay, now, why will you refuse to admit that this year things REALLY ARE DIFFERENT? You say that every year the Republicans say vote with us just this one more time. Well, I'll take your word for it that they do that, but that really is beside the point this time. Just because the Republicans have cried wolf in the past doesn't mean that the wolf isn't really coming to the door this time!!!

Considering Emerson and the future makeup of the Supreme Court, the assault weapons bill sunsetting, all of the frivilous lawsuits against legitimate firearms manufactures, and an out of control BATF, among other reasons, why won't you admit that the future of the Second Amendment is in peril like never before?

Dennis, I don't think you are being honest when you say this is "just one more year."

Sincerely,
Joe
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Meiji_man:
Ok now this is a GREAT THREAD! :D

And I don't want to see this get locked down because we need to get this aired and fast.
[/quote]

Not really. This thread comes up nearly every other day. Hold your nose and vote for Bush, or Bush is Gore-light so vote with the other .2% of the country who likes Harry Browne :).

Vote how you like. It doesn't matter which one of them gets in office; by this time next year, there will be more gun control laws on the books.
 
Actions speak louder than words. I judge Bush by his *actions*, which are far more pro-freedom than any "real contender" presidential candidate in decades, maybe even generations. Can anyone tell me the last "contender" candidate who ever took a *leadership* roll in rolling back gun control the way Bush did with shall-issue? You might have to go back to Teddy to find anybody even comparable!

If Harry Brown could take his blinders off, he'd toss it this year and back Bush.

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On a side-note: there's talk going around that the unions are REAL pissed at Gore's backing of trade with China (especially), and to a lesser extent Mexico. And they have a point: it ain't gonna be easy for US workers to compete against Chinese political prisoners.

They're actually muttering about throwing in with Buchannon of all people, due to his rabid protectionist stance.

Yes, that's some really freaky stuff but it's certainly pleasant to think about...and we may be able to stir up that pot a bit more.
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Jim
 
Who's yacking about "smearing" Bush?

The Guy's a loser and I'm about as Libertarian as they come.

But who's has a chance of winning?

Also, if the time comes then fight. The time ain't here yet and talking about it just puts you higher on the list.

If it gets to that point then It'll be because we lost due to our own stupidity. And I really, really think some people are Pro-Revolution and will due anything to make it happen, Even work for the Enemy. There's a psychotic disorder, I can't remember what it's called, but it's basicly people who start a problem so they can be seen as heros when they "solve" it. Arsonists/Firefighters comes to mind. And there seems to be a lot of people with cans of gasoline wandering around here.
Not that we didn't have that back in 1776. The "Sons of Liberty" spring to mind. And I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong IF YOU THINK THAT"S THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM. But I don't.
 
Even if the Republicans do everything right and win the election they are bound to fail. Bush WILL NOT confront and polarize the left.
He'll give them bits and pieces to include them in the party. We do not want such people in the party. We want to exclude them from the policy making process.

Can anyone imagine Goldwater or Reagan doing any of this?

Watch for a liberal/socialist landslide in '04 or '08, followed by armed resistance to registration and confiscation.


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ALARM! ALARM! CIVILIZATION IS IN PERIL! THE BARBARIANS HAVE TAKEN THE GATES!
 
Bush won't resist the left? Seems like he sure did in Texas. I'm sorry, but I give Bush more credit for his actions than for his website. What concealed carry law has Browne, Buchanan, or any other third party candidate passed? Why isn't the NRA spending money on those candidates, if Bush is such a wimp on the 2nd Amendment? The NRA obviously doesn't think Bush will sell us out like Clinton/Gore. Neither do I.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dennis:

< this post snipped for brevity>

The Republicans have abandoned us! We did not leave them! They became
faux Democrats and partners in the crime of turning America into a Socialist
state acceptable to the United Nations and the “world village”.

So now we must vote for gun control to save our Right to Keep and Bear
Arms. It’s hilarious how we profess to be pro-RKBA while we grease the skids
on the slippery slope into tyranny.

Before Republican supporters tell me to take a “reality check”, take one
yourself.
[/quote]


Bravo, Dennis!!!

Well done.
 
Dennis,

If Randy Davis thinks you are right, I would start getting worried BIG time if I were you! ;) LOL


Yes, vote for Browne, he has no chance of winning. Al Gore needs all the help he can get! LOL


Joe
 
Mr. Williams.
What you are accusing GW of is EXACTLY what Reagan did. Throw some crumbs (to the left and the right) and deftly move the political center to the right gradually and incrementally. Does anyone in their right mind think a democratic president could have been found to sign the welfare reform act that Clinton had to sign had RR not been president of this nation. These issues take time to work out --as the grabbers become more vociferous in their demands a wily politico can begin to make them look extremist. Whosoever defines the center in american politics rules this nation, our job is to make the center a comfortable place for gun ownership. These all or nothing (or war) positions make us look like the fringe.
Lonnie
 
Mr. Jaycox,
The cultural and ideological center of the country is now far to the left of what it was when Reagan was president. There is no sense of outrage, just a lot of sniggering at Presidential hi-jinx. It's like playing football when the umpires keep moving the goal-posts and every down we play is fourth and ninety-nine.


Try this: articulate the philosophy behind the Declaration, describe its relation to the Constitution, and then criticize Clinton for his rule by decree through executive orders. Talk about the necessity of personal responsibility. Suggest that irresponsible sex has more to due with AIDS and the surge of abortions and out-of-wedlock births than price-gouging pharmaceutical companies and traditional family values. Suggest that values free education produces kids who do not value life and are walking time bombs who spend their time thinking up ways to kill everyone they know.

One third of the people you talk to will splutter with rage and call you a bigot, one third will burst into tears and have a temper tantrum, about one sixth will stare at you vacantly, and maybe the remaining sixth will respond that they've never considered things in that light before.

There is no center anymore, or perhaps a better understanding of the "center" is "No friends to the right, no enemies to the left."

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ALARM! ALARM! CIVILIZATION IS IN PERIL! THE BARBARIANS HAVE TAKEN THE GATES!



[This message has been edited by Munro Williams (edited July 14, 2000).]
 
Dennis,
Once again you post eloquently. Keep the faith, vote Browne. At least I can show my son an example of an older gentleman who didn't screw him before birth.
 
KJM,
Thank you, sir.
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nralife,
Well, Joe, you're getting closer. When you get to the point you admit a vote for (any third party) is a vote lost for Bush, rather than some percentage for Gore, we'll agree! :)
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Eric,
If only 0.2% of the votes cast are not for Bush, there is no need for the Republicans to be so upset! Just ignore us. But we won't go away. You see, we are against gun control. ;)
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All,

Well, folks, I've done it again. Chatted the thread over 100K.

See y'all on the next go 'round (Good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise).

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
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