Gen 5 Glock 19

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I am heavily invested in Gen 4 Glocks, having several of them. I have held, but not fired the Gen 5 19 and 17. I did a search and couldn't find any posts comparing the Gen 5 and the Gen 4 as far as shootability, accuracy, etc., so I'm asking those of you who have shot/own both to give me a comparison/contrast. Basically, I'm wanting to know if the Gen 5 is enough better to get one. Or two. Or...

I realize it might be largely personal opinion.

Thanks
 
Pros

1. Fits my hands better without the finger grooves

2. Much better finish on the slide (PVD coating on top of Tenifer treatment).

3. Ambi slide release

4. Glock Marksmanship Barrel - probably more accurate but who can quantify it shooting offhand?

5. FBI says it's the most reliable handgun they have ever tested - 11,000 mean rounds before failure.

6. The trigger take-up has lost its grittiness so it's a slightly "cleaner" trigger pull.



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If I was buying a new Glock right now and the finger groove of the Gen 4 don't fit you then the Gen 5 make a lot of sense. However in the OPs case is anything that is on this list beside the finger grooves going to make a "real world" difference?

1. Fits my hands better without the finger grooves

2. Much better finish on the slide (PVD coating on top of Tenifer treatment).

3. Ambi slide release

4. Glock Marksmanship Barrel - probably more accurate but who can quantify it shooting offhand?

5. FBI says it's the most reliable handgun they have ever tested - 11,000 mean rounds before failure.

6. The trigger take-up has lost its grittiness so it's a slightly "cleaner" trigger pull.
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I seriously doubt it. The other issue I see is the cost of a new holster and accessories like sights. If you are heavily invested in upgrades and gear I would just keep shooting the Gen 4. Assuming you shoot them well. Even if you are in the market for a new Glock I the Gen 5 worth and extra $100-$125? You can get Gen4 17s and 19s OTD for around $460 while a Gen 5 will cost you $560-580.

Personally I have picked up Gen 4 19s and 17s at nice discounts since the gen 5 came out. Nothing about the Gen 5 makes it worth the extra $100+ for me.
 
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I'm of a similar opinion to WVsig. The finger groves are the biggest factor. And the opinion on the finger groves seems to turn on whether they fit or not; finger grooves that fit are great, and finger grooves that don't fit cause the shooter to change their grip to accommodate them. IOW, the finger groves place limits on the hand size and shape of the user who is going to consider them a good fit. Buyer's preference as it stands now.
 
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Nothing about the Gen 5 makes it worth the extra $100+ for me.
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Exactly! When a Gen5 19 goes for @90 bucks more than an M&P9 Compact 2.0 I say go for the better value M&P. New gun prices out here in CO are inflated anyway, I’ve scored great deals on “used” guns lately, a LNIB CZ P-01 at a Cabela’s Gun Library out here, and then an unfired SIG P239 SAS Gen2 back in PA over the holidays.
 
Personally if I bought a new Glock if would be the Gen 5 because I like my Gen 2 Glock 19 so much.

OP why don'y you rent a Gen 5 to try out for yourself? Finding a Glock to rent should be easy.
 
Was not worth the extra expense for me so I bought the 17.4.
The finger grooves fit me just fine.
I am looking to buy a 19.4 very soon.
 
I like my handguns groovy. I think I need to pick up a couple of gen 4’s. I can’t believe they are making a two finger groovless G26. No thanks.
 
I have a G19 Gen 4 and a G17 Gen 5. If I had to choose one grip over the other, I’d take the finger grooves. I guess it’s my hands.

I like the Gen 5 trigger better. The beveled slide/muzzle looks cool. None of the rest matters to me.
 
The Gen 5 has the bottom of the grip redesigned to form a Magazine Funnel.
Trigger Reset is quicker than a stock Gen IV trigger.

If they ever get a Gen V Glock 23 and 35 out, I will probably upgrade to them.
The Gen V changes were things that most customers preferred in a Glock.

Slightly Higher Grip
No Finger Grooves
Improved Trigger with Less Travel to Reset
Magazine Funnel for Faster Speed Reloads
Improved Slide Finish
Hi-Visibility Gen V Magazine Followers
Ambi Slide Release

Several Upgrades over previous models. Now if they will get the Gen V out in 40 S&W for us larger bore than 9mm fans.

Bob R
 
WVsig said:
If I was buying a new Glock right now and the finger groove of the Gen 4 don't fit you then the Gen 5 make a lot of sense. However in the OPs case is anything that is on this list beside the finger grooves going to make a "real world" difference?







I seriously doubt it. The other issue I see is the cost of a new holster and accessories like sights. If you are heavily invested in upgrades and gear I would just keep shooting the Gen 4. Assuming you shoot them well. Even if you are in the market for a new Glock I the Gen 5 worth and extra $100-$125? You can get Gen4 17s and 19s OTD for around $460 while a Gen 5 will cost you $560-580.



Personally I have picked up Gen 4 19s and 17s at nice discounts since the gen 5 came out. Nothing about the Gen 5 makes it worth the extra $100+ for me.
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The OP has to decide for himself not you. And not I.


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Chui said:
The OP has to decide for himself not you. And not I.


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Thanks scoop... that was not obvious to everyone. My point was that your list are small incremental changes that do not necessarily translate to better performance for most shooters especially ones that already shoot Gen 4s well. I am not sure why you feel the need to state the obvious.

Clearly if you read the OP the states:

I am heavily invested in Gen 4 Glocks, having several of them. I have held, but not fired the Gen 5 19 and 17. I did a search and couldn't find any posts comparing the Gen 5 and the Gen 4 as far as shootability, accuracy, etc., so I'm asking those of you who have shot/own both to give me a comparison/contrast. Basically, I'm wanting to know if the Gen 5 is enough better to get one. Or two. Or...

I realize it might be largely personal opinion.
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He is already heavily invested in Gen 4s which one can assume he shoots well since he or she owns more than one. So the biggest difference that translates to rounds on target the finger grooves most likely is not an issue. Everything else on your list will not show up on paper unless you are a top 1% shooter.

Also the OP knew from jump he was only going to get personal preferences or opinions. So your second post really does not address the question does it? WE all understand the OP will make his or her own choice as to value of a Gen 4 over a Gen 5.
 
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WVsig said:
Thanks scoop... that was not obvious to everyone. My point was that your list are small incremental changes that do not necessarily translate to better performance for most shooters especially ones that already shoot Gen 4s well. I am not sure why you feel the need to state the obvious.



Clearly if you read the OP the states:







He is already heavily invested in Gen 4s which once can assume he shoots well since he or she owns more than one. So the biggest difference that translates to rounds on target the finger grooves most likely is not an issue. Everything else on your list will not show up on paper unless you are a top 1% shooter.



Also the OP knew from jump he was only going to get personal preferences or opinions. So your second post really does not address the question does it? WE all understand the OP will make his or her own choice as to value of a Gen 4 over a Gen 5.
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And you're heavily invested why?

Nothing you've stated was not obvious. Nothing I stated was not obvious.

Thank you for assuming the OP is ignorant. Thank you for assuming I believed that MY observations were "end all" and that the OP should just jump ship.

It's 2018 and I'm violating my resolution to let the dead bury the dead. So in that note you're "correct".

Happy now?

Rhetorical question; I don't give a damn.


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Its funny Chui it seems like everyone else in this thread understands the OP question and has answered it with a personal expression of why they like the Gen 4 or Gen 5 better. Is that not what the OP asked?

In the end I am not invested at all. Glocks are like hammers for me. They are a utilitarian tool which I use only for certain applications. In the end any Gen will work for what I used them for. Clearly YMMV.
 
I own a Gen 5 and have shot enough Gen 4's to have some idea.

The magazines are interchangeable. This is the first thing I questioned.

The finger grooves... I really don't care either way. Apparently the G4 grooves fit me because they do not bother me.

The barrel... these are not designed to be bullseye pistols and either will get the job done

The trigger... these are not designed to be bullseye pistols and either will get the job done. I don't shoot in competition and doubt I would ever notice the difference

So why did I pay more for a Gen 5? I was not invested in Gen 4 so I had made the decision if I was buying a Glock (G19) it was going to be a Gen 5. I compared it to other pistols but never to a Gen 4. In the life of the gun the price difference is going to be minimal and I like having "this years model" when I am purchasing something new.

If I had been invested in the Gen 4 I would have stuck with the Gen 4. If I was invested in neither I cannot really come up with a great reason to buy one over the other.
 
If I had a Gen 4 I would not feel compelled to move to Gen 5. Were I completely new to Glocks and just getting into them I’d personally opt for the Gen 5 as the lack of ginger grooves is appreciated by me and I do find mine to shoot smaller groups then the Gen 4s I’ve owned or the Gen 3s I still own (the lighter trigger may be the bigger factor then the barrel, but the lockup does seem a tad better). Case in point I haven’t replaced my remaining Gen 3s to have all Gen 5s.


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I'm with TunnelRat on this one, won't be trading my Gen3's and 4's in on Gen5.

Yet, I'm one of those that likes the finger grooves.
 
Do the 25 cent trigger job on the GEN3 or GEN4. Add a Ghost 3.5 lb. connector. If you don't like the finger grooves they are easy to remove. I will keep my GEN4 G19 thank you.
As far as more accurate I don't know.
My GEN4 is very accurate. In most defensive situations don't think it would make a damn bit of difference. And the GEN5 parts take away a lot of the commonality of the previous generation Glocks. For me no thanks. JMHO.
 
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