Gay marriage: do you support more than gun rights?

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The fear of child rape which is usually homosexual in nature
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Has there been any new research that shows this besides the study done by the Family Research Council which has been debunked as beng very subjective in nature and flawed?

So there are very little or no heterosexual pedophiles? what about women pedophiles? If gays are a small percentage of our population do they commit 100% of the child sex crimes.
 
When did I decide to follow the basic premise of virtually all of nature and be attracted to the opposite sex??
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Again, homosexuality is perfectly natural and occurs in many other species.
Mostly because I see it ( gay marriage)as a potential dodge to get benefits for your buddy without any real downside or responsibility.
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Same goes for straight marriage. Or are you under the impression that men and women cannot have platonic relationships?

That is IMHO just another sob story trotted out by those with an agenda
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Yea and that agenda is to be treated equally. Simple as that.
Normalization of that which is not normal
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Albinos are not "normal", we don't have laws against them getting married. Considering their percentage of the human population Jews are not "normal" either. In fact there are more gays in the world than those of the Jewish faith - which is a concept granted by birth, btw - yet there is nothing wrong with "normalizing" their marriages.
 
For those of you who assert that there is a Federal Constitutional Right providing a right of marriage between persons of the same sex, please quote the specific language of the Constitution providing for the same. And I'd also like a cite to a Federal Court case that cites the provision of the Federal Constitution which grants that right.

For those of you who assert that there is a fundamental Federal Constitutional Right providing a right of marriage between persons of the same sex, please cite a Federal case recognizing the same.

I don't think either exist. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm sure I'll get the requested quotes/cites if so.

In stark contrast, two separate Federal Courts have recognized an individual Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms. So, contrary to Juan's assertion, one can recognize a Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms, while at the same time refusing to recognize a non-existant Constitutional Right held by persons of the same sex to enter the snare of matrimony.
 
I dont need a piece of paper to validate how i feel and care for another person, and over half of todays marriages arent worth the paper the license is printed on.
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They may not be worth the paper to people. That little piece of paper can make the difference in who gets what if you die and your partner is still alive with no will. It makes a diffeence in what benefits your partner could apply for. Suppose you have a partner that stays home and takes care of the household shouldnt they be eligible for the same benefits as a spouse? I think gay couples should have all the benefits of married persons and all the problems of married folks too.
 
I support gay marriage. I'm not a bleeding heart by any stretch, but I am for equality for all. With that being said, many companies give special benefits to gay couples unable to wed.

Before my wife and I were married, she was in between jobs but I was unable to place her on my health insurance because we were not married. However, if I was gay, all I would have had to do was write a letter stating we were in a relationship and we shared the same address or addresses and it was health insurance all around.

To me I was being held to a different set of standards than others because I was not gay. To me, its not fair or right. Everyone should be held accountable to the same rules.

Besides that, I really doubt that allowing gay people to get married is going to hurt anyone.
 
For those of you who assert that there is a Federal Constitutional Right providing a right of marriage between persons of the same sex, please quote the specific language of the Constitution providing for the same. And I'd also like a cite to a Federal Court case that cites the provision of the Federal Constitution which grants that right.
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No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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That not good enough?

And since when are rights granted? Since when do rights have to be spelled out letter for letter to exist? Do you have the right to connect to a worldwide network of computers? Do you have the right to own a car? Do you have the right to hop on one foot in your underwear singing "Rock The Casbah" in your living room?

Just because there's no amendment that says "Gays can get married" does not mean it's not a freedom that should be afforded to all.

Equal protection under the law.
 
Before my wife and I were married, she was in between jobs but I was unable to place her on my health insurance because we were not married. However, if I was gay, all I would have had to do was write a letter stating we were in a relationship and we shared the same address or addresses and it was health insurance all around.

To me I was being held to a different set of standards than others because I was not gay. To me, its not fair or right. Everyone should be held accountable to the same rules.
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Would your company have had that policy if gay employees had been able to marry? :o
 
gays are no less likely to have stable, commited, long lasting relationships than straights.
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I personaly am in a committed 15yr relationship. I am 40 yrs old and have been with my partner since I was 25 and he was 23. The vast majority of married people cannot claim that since over 50% of all relationships end in divorce.

So there are very little or no heterosexual pedophiles?
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I do not know where the original person that mentioned child molestation got his information (I can only assume it was a deep dark hole about 6" below the rear side of his belt) but when I worked for CPS in both Ohio and in Oregon the statistics showed that between 92-97% of all cases involved heterosexual sex(the vast majority of cases involving inter-family abuse). Taking into acount that 90-97% of the population is heterosexual (depending on what source you use to gauge the percentage of homosexuals), that means that hetero people are only a tiny bit more likely to be child molesters.

P.S. I am also an 8yr veteran of the US Army. I did my time, did my job, and at the time was one of the top 2% of advancing officers in military service.
 
I see no fundamental reason that polygamy cannot be allowed
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While I personally find it kind of creepy and wonder why anyone would want to have to put up with more than one spouse I agree with the quote made by a wise man..."what a man, a woman, another man, a midget, and a goat do in the privacy of their own home is their own business."

If consenting adults want to have a group marriage, bring in 3rd or 4th people for casual sex, etc I am completely cool with it. It is not for me but that does not make it wrong.

The problem arises when you get these wacko religous weirdos that start taking 13 yr old brides, marrying their daughters or neices, and abusing children that make the whole lot look bad. Just like when a small number of gun owners shine a bad light on the rest of us.
 
Redworm, 9mmSnoopy, and PlayboyPenguin, I support your right to be who you are.

My wife and I were talking about this last night. I wish that the 6800 or so homosexuals in the military would just step forward right now and "out" themselves. Can you imagine what it would do now with the military stretched so thin by the GWOT? That is a whole brigade combat team and then some!

The military would not have much of a choice..they would have to change the policy unless they are willing to lose that much combat power. Losing that many soldiers at this crucial a time could very possibly shut down the war.
 
General Pace did a great thing, I agree with him and I wish more people would stand up for what's right.

Gay's should not be married because it's not recognized by God, who is the creator of marriage like it or not it's a sin and God destroyed a whole city for this kind of sin. Gay's did not get married in the Bible and are not supported by God or the gospel. I stand by what is right before God as a Christian and a married man.

Being gay is a choice you make, you were not born gay, like everything else in life it's a choice. Churches who support it are going directly against the scripture and God's will and fall under Matt: 7, "lord, lord"...... This country was founded on Christian values, our founding fathers used Christian values in much of what they did and we as Americans should stand on those values and get some damn morals back into this country. I'm really sick and tired of having this gay crap shoved down our throat in Movies, TV and everything else, it's become popular to be gay. The sanctity of marriage is between a man and a woman who decides to spend their life together as one the way God intended. Divorce is so high it's sickening the sanctity of marriage is being attacked by so many different things. If you want to be gay that's your choice, but don't expect God, the church and the rest of the world to change it's ways and convictions just to support your choice to sleep with someone.

Corinthians 7 covers marriage and it's between a Man and a Woman only! The Bible gives ton's of scriptures on how much God hates homosexuality and the punishment for it. Marriage is from God not the government and should be kept the way God intended it, GAY'S SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO MARRY!
 
I am staggered that this thread hasn't been locked by now.
For the record: I fully support gay marriage and gays in the military. Why should they have all the fun while we "breeders" do all the suffering? :cool:
Seriously, I think more Americans need to learn to keep their noses out of other peoples' bedrooms and focus on more important issues. But at the same time I don't like how Gen. Pace was treated for voicing his personal opinion. I don't agree with the man, but I respect his right to speak his mind.
 
I'm against gay marriage, but that won't matter anywho. I think the family trees will be short and eventually the problem will take care of itself.

I believe everyone has the right to live his or her own lifestyle as they please, but don't try to force your views on me and tell me it's normal.

I know ya all think I'm a redneck yahoo for my views but I wasn't raised that way and I refuse to accept it.

kenny b
 
Kind of a touchy subject for me. I am all for gay marriage, but I am sort of against it too as far as the religeous thing goes. I have been raised Christian and I feel that gay marriage in the church is disrespecting the Bible. However, I am NOT against gays at all. I have really good friends who are openly gay or bisexual and they are some of the nicest people I know. They are no different than the other straight guys I hang out with on a daily basis.

To all the gay bashers reading this, just remember, we all started out gay. If you don't believe me then just look back when you were in 1st grade. Guys didn't like girls. They thought they had "cooties". :D
 
Being gay is a choice you make, you were not born gay, like everything else in life it's a choice
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Thanks for proving your ignorance of the subject and making other people of religion look bad by association. I am sure they appreciate your outspoken and misinformed opinion. :rolleyes:

Save the sermons for church.

As for it being a "choice"...it most definately is not. I never made that choice, my partner never made that choice, and neither has a single gay person I have ever known. The closest I have ever even seen to it being a choice is when bi-sexual women decide it is just easier to not have to deal with men. :)

But I guess you would know better...what with having absolutely no reference or experience with the topic. :rolleyes:
 
+1 Playboypeguin

Begin gay is certainly NOT a choice. Some people just never developed an attraction towards the opposite sex. It's just like me having ADD as a kid. Did I ask for it and was it a choice for me? NO!! It wasn't.
 
I think it is a sad state of affairs to be discussing your sexuality on a gun forum.
Geezzzzzzz like the world wants to know what ya'll like.

tell me about you hunting experience or favorite rifle or guns on the political front not what you do in your private life

I wish it would have been locked down a long time ago.

Personally I don't give a care what you do just PLEASE leave the rest of us out of it.
 
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