Mike Irwin
Staff
"That last part is patently untrue, Mike. The "problem", for the Army, was that the .38 Long Colt was too weak, and other counties were using newfangled self loading pistols and they wanted one, too ..... they did some testing in 1904 and concluded that they wanted a.45 cal bullet, as a minimum. JM Browning was working with them on an autoloading pistol in .41 cal .... and adapted it to a larger bullet ..... voila': The .45ACP.
Therefore, the .45ACP was the solution to several problems that The Army, Colt, and John Moses Browning asked ..... I would have expected you to know that, Mike. ..... but as DHart noted, some people say stuff because it sounds cool, true or not ......."
Well, the .45 was a "solution" to a problem that existed for a very brief period of time, and which was never solved by the .45 (in that case, the .45 Long Colt revolver), so by the time the .45 ACP actually hit the ground running, it was, literally, a solution in search of a question.
Now, had the military been expecting to face docile steers as their next combatant backed up by a few cadavers suspended by the wrists, then yes, the .45 was very much the solution to an extant and urgent problem...
Few factiods... The problem that the .45 was supposedly the solution to, the drugged up Moro tribesmen, turned out to also be extremely transient and still wasn't sorted out by the .45 (Colt revolver).
Yes, it was somewhat more effective than the .38 Long Colt, but it wasn't the Lazor Beem of Splooshy Deth!!! that so many have made it out to be over the years as justification for the mythical status of the .45 ACP.
What's also relatively unknown (or ignored) is the failure of the OTHER .45 in the Philippines, the .45-70 out of the Trapdoor Springfield... That's right, Moros hit with a 405-gr. bullet traveling at roughly twice the speed of the .45 revolver round still had the temerity to not immediately vaporize in a red mist.
About the only thing that really worked against a pissed off Moro was a load of buckshot out of one of the Winchester 12 gauge shotguns...
Which oddly enough were primarily given to Philippine Constabulary troops, with relatively few being given to Americans.
As for the advancement to a semi-automatic, that would have happened no matter whether anyone built/worshiped at the altar of the .45 or not. So that's not really part of the equation.
So yeah, you're right about one thing... some people say stuff just because it sounds cool, not because it's, like, really true or anything, but because it supports the godhead myth that is John Browning and His sacred sword of righteousness, the .45 ACP.
Sigh...
Therefore, the .45ACP was the solution to several problems that The Army, Colt, and John Moses Browning asked ..... I would have expected you to know that, Mike. ..... but as DHart noted, some people say stuff because it sounds cool, true or not ......."
Well, the .45 was a "solution" to a problem that existed for a very brief period of time, and which was never solved by the .45 (in that case, the .45 Long Colt revolver), so by the time the .45 ACP actually hit the ground running, it was, literally, a solution in search of a question.
Now, had the military been expecting to face docile steers as their next combatant backed up by a few cadavers suspended by the wrists, then yes, the .45 was very much the solution to an extant and urgent problem...
Few factiods... The problem that the .45 was supposedly the solution to, the drugged up Moro tribesmen, turned out to also be extremely transient and still wasn't sorted out by the .45 (Colt revolver).
Yes, it was somewhat more effective than the .38 Long Colt, but it wasn't the Lazor Beem of Splooshy Deth!!! that so many have made it out to be over the years as justification for the mythical status of the .45 ACP.
What's also relatively unknown (or ignored) is the failure of the OTHER .45 in the Philippines, the .45-70 out of the Trapdoor Springfield... That's right, Moros hit with a 405-gr. bullet traveling at roughly twice the speed of the .45 revolver round still had the temerity to not immediately vaporize in a red mist.
About the only thing that really worked against a pissed off Moro was a load of buckshot out of one of the Winchester 12 gauge shotguns...
Which oddly enough were primarily given to Philippine Constabulary troops, with relatively few being given to Americans.
As for the advancement to a semi-automatic, that would have happened no matter whether anyone built/worshiped at the altar of the .45 or not. So that's not really part of the equation.
So yeah, you're right about one thing... some people say stuff just because it sounds cool, not because it's, like, really true or anything, but because it supports the godhead myth that is John Browning and His sacred sword of righteousness, the .45 ACP.
Sigh...