Game over for the 40 S&W. Say it ain't so!

"That last part is patently untrue, Mike. The "problem", for the Army, was that the .38 Long Colt was too weak, and other counties were using newfangled self loading pistols and they wanted one, too ..... they did some testing in 1904 and concluded that they wanted a.45 cal bullet, as a minimum. JM Browning was working with them on an autoloading pistol in .41 cal .... and adapted it to a larger bullet ..... voila': The .45ACP.

Therefore, the .45ACP was the solution to several problems that The Army, Colt, and John Moses Browning asked ..... I would have expected you to know that, Mike. ..... but as DHart noted, some people say stuff because it sounds cool, true or not ......."


Well, the .45 was a "solution" to a problem that existed for a very brief period of time, and which was never solved by the .45 (in that case, the .45 Long Colt revolver), so by the time the .45 ACP actually hit the ground running, it was, literally, a solution in search of a question.

Now, had the military been expecting to face docile steers as their next combatant backed up by a few cadavers suspended by the wrists, then yes, the .45 was very much the solution to an extant and urgent problem...

Few factiods... The problem that the .45 was supposedly the solution to, the drugged up Moro tribesmen, turned out to also be extremely transient and still wasn't sorted out by the .45 (Colt revolver).

Yes, it was somewhat more effective than the .38 Long Colt, but it wasn't the Lazor Beem of Splooshy Deth!!! that so many have made it out to be over the years as justification for the mythical status of the .45 ACP.

What's also relatively unknown (or ignored) is the failure of the OTHER .45 in the Philippines, the .45-70 out of the Trapdoor Springfield... That's right, Moros hit with a 405-gr. bullet traveling at roughly twice the speed of the .45 revolver round still had the temerity to not immediately vaporize in a red mist.

About the only thing that really worked against a pissed off Moro was a load of buckshot out of one of the Winchester 12 gauge shotguns...

Which oddly enough were primarily given to Philippine Constabulary troops, with relatively few being given to Americans.

As for the advancement to a semi-automatic, that would have happened no matter whether anyone built/worshiped at the altar of the .45 or not. So that's not really part of the equation.

So yeah, you're right about one thing... some people say stuff just because it sounds cool, not because it's, like, really true or anything, but because it supports the godhead myth that is John Browning and His sacred sword of righteousness, the .45 ACP.

Sigh...
 
What'd everybody turn Hindu? No one trying to take a bite out of the Sacred Cow for his blasphemous thinkin' on JMB and his 1911?
Bunch'a chickens...
 
Wal-Mart around here just had a sale! 250 rounds of Remington UMC 180 gr FMJ .40 S&W for $48 bucks. Yes 48 of 'em. That computes to bit over $9 per 50.

I got one 250 round pack just to add to the .45s I keep in an ammo can. I have 9mm, .357 Sigs, .40s, and .45s. Plus the .38s and .44s I use a lot in the field.

.40 dead? Nope! Not even close.

Deaf
 
Yep, ... perused two of the better LGSs today.

Gawd, the .40 dumpage is massive, continuing to bleed out and somewhat painful to watch, ... but happening it is. :eek:

Some say the 9 was always fine, ... and we're only remembering what we once forgot. ;)
 
Mmmm. Me loving .40 caliber. :) Awesome choice. Soft-shooting, accurate, high capacity, potent. ;)

10 yards off hand


The current fad creates bargains for others. Plenty of us are adding more forties to the stables.

Fortys that are hastily traded for nines will all be snapped up over time. :D

No worries, folks, forty ain't going away. Nine is fine. Forty is fine +P.
 
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FBIs motives which time in regards to the 40? Pretty hard to argue both for and against the FBI in the same cogent argument

Oh, sure it is!

Lately? Yeah, but NO. They had it right when they went to forty, they just picked the wrong platform (Glocks in .40S&W) and the wrong bullet weight (155/165 vs. 180). And now, they're just reacting hastily and impulsively.

I'll give them this much: Glock 17 and 19 are better choices than Glock 22 and 23. Beyond that, they're just another government agency making agency-like choices which don't necessarily translate to the best choices for individuals.

Given all the stupid crap that Comey and the FBI agency has been up to lately, their credibility is totally shot. Following lock-step with the rest of our f#@ked up government.

No sense for individuals, these days, to follow them like puppy dogs without a clue. :rolleyes:
 
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DHart said:
Fortys that are hastily traded for nines will all be snapped up over time.

Amen. Copshop M&P40c came today. Real decent trigger for an MP. Five at 25 yards, standing unsupported.

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Fortys that are hastily traded for nines will all be snapped up over time. :D


Amen. Copshop M&P40c came today. Real decent trigger for an MP. Five at 25 yards, standing unsupported.

Nice score! The M&P40C is one of my most favorite pistols. I bought one in 2007 and like it so much that I snagged another a couple of weeks ago when CDNN had them on sale. Great pistols in a great caliber. Very soft shooting, accurate, reliable, and effortless to carry. Packs a nice punch, too! ;)



 
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