silverstang23
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I do it all the time appendix style. I'm 6'0 with a 32'' waist
G19 Concealability
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I'm 5'10", 200lb and carry a G19 in an OWB leather pancake holster year round. Most of the time I wear XL Carhartt T's or short sleeve button down shirts (one size up). I have an AG Cloak Tuck 3.0 if I think I need the increased concealibliy it provides over OWB, but rarely use it. I used the Glock Sport Holster while I waited for my pancake; it worked, but I found it uncomfortable as I prefer having a slide and sight guard.
Oh, I also wear fruit of the loom large tall grey undershirts, I find they tuck better and they go with just about anything I wear.
Oh, I also wear fruit of the loom large tall grey undershirts, I find they tuck better and they go with just about anything I wear.
Talk to almost anyone in the hunt for a good concealed carry holster and they'll probably tell you it feels like they've done just this...bought all the holsters out there.
I didn't think I'd bought all that many holsters at all until a cleanup/cleanout/inventory of the basement had me consolidating all my holsters, first in a small box, then a grocery bag and then a large box. A truly disturbing sight.
Good luck.
Limnophile
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OWB is so much more comfortable and convenient, as long as you don't tuck your shirt in (and don't buy short shirts if you're long waisted) or wear a cover garment. Concealing any compact handgun OWB is readily doable, and you don't have to buy pants one size too big. All I had to do was start carrying my wallet in my left rear pocket so as not to inadvertently display my pistol when reaching for the wallet (I keep my loose change in my right front pocket for the same reason), and remember not to reach for anything on the top shelf at the store with my right hand. Bending over hasn't posed a problem, perhaps because I don't do that much these days, which is fortunate because my knees can't bend forward like TunnelRat's apparently can.
In short, IWB is not much to worry about with a compact. If you need deep concealment get a pocket pistol.
In short, IWB is not much to worry about with a compact. If you need deep concealment get a pocket pistol.
Spats McGee
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6'0", ~240. G19 in a CBST or OWB in leather, with an extra mag on the weak side. Wardrobe is on the dressier side. That's my EDC about 90% of the time.
5' 6" 155# AWIB with a 17 and a reload. I carried IWB at 4:30 for most of my life, wish Id switched to AWIB a lot sooner. I can easily hide my 17 under an untucked tee shirt. My normal size shirt too. I also wear my normal size pants. No need to go up.
Ive been trying one with my 19 as well, and so far, its working quite well. Its not quite as comfortable as the 26, but its still very doable.
Smart Carry. No need to go smaller. These days, I usually carry a 26 in mine. Very comfortable, and concealable, more so than just about anything else.
Ive been trying one with my 19 as well, and so far, its working quite well. Its not quite as comfortable as the 26, but its still very doable.
I generally carry a G26 with extension AIWB using a Raven Concealment Vanguard 2 holster. Not quite as big, but I honestly wouldn't imagine the G19 to be anymore uncomfortable (and only slightly less concealable) for me. It holds the gun low enough to my belt that I almost need the extension to ensure a solid grip. Super concealable, and I'm 6'3" 205 lbs... Had considered picking up a G19, but I shoot my G26 better than any other gun I own.
Take it from a guy who has posted numerous times on the lack of "real" safeties on a Glock... I was never comfortable with the idea of relying on just a trigger safety until I took the plunge. I was never a Glock hater, but I enjoyed the extra safety of something like a P2000sk or Kahr trigger. I cannot stress enough that I did not care for Glocks in the least, and that was due to a good bit of ignorance on my part. Heck I only bought the G26 because my wife like the G42 so much, as she couldn't get used to the longer pulls of my other firearms.
The Vanguard goes on when my gun comes out of the safe, and the whole rig gets clipped to my belt. I have been carrying like that for months, and it has yet to even come close to being dislodged from the holster. Yes it took a bit of nerve the first few times and I would never reholster without first removing it from my belt; however for me this has been the best form of carry I have come across. I don't have to change my wardrobe, do not have to be careful when bending over, and I have complete access to the gun and can competently draw it on demand.
All forms of carry have a bit of give and take. That ankle rig might be super safe until you have to draw from it, and the stars do not align properly. A lack of training with AIWB can be more dangerous than other forms of carry, but that is why you train until you're comfortable with it. If that is not an option, go with OWB and dress to your firearm. Both are viable options. But I guarantee there has been someone who was negligent with a Beretta, like a Sig, HK, and Glock. That chance is amplified as you become more and more complacent, and that is why I holster my Glock as carefully each time as I ever had. When it comes off, the whole thing comes off and I unload and wipe down, whill not even having access to the trigger. YMMV, but again this is what works best for me. If I'm not carrying my VG2, I go with one of the Off the Grid holsters using a handgun with a similar manual of arms.
I wish there was an equivalent for the P2000sk, but until then I will happily carry my Glock.
The Vanguard goes on when my gun comes out of the safe, and the whole rig gets clipped to my belt. I have been carrying like that for months, and it has yet to even come close to being dislodged from the holster. Yes it took a bit of nerve the first few times and I would never reholster without first removing it from my belt; however for me this has been the best form of carry I have come across. I don't have to change my wardrobe, do not have to be careful when bending over, and I have complete access to the gun and can competently draw it on demand.
All forms of carry have a bit of give and take. That ankle rig might be super safe until you have to draw from it, and the stars do not align properly. A lack of training with AIWB can be more dangerous than other forms of carry, but that is why you train until you're comfortable with it. If that is not an option, go with OWB and dress to your firearm. Both are viable options. But I guarantee there has been someone who was negligent with a Beretta, like a Sig, HK, and Glock. That chance is amplified as you become more and more complacent, and that is why I holster my Glock as carefully each time as I ever had. When it comes off, the whole thing comes off and I unload and wipe down, whill not even having access to the trigger. YMMV, but again this is what works best for me. If I'm not carrying my VG2, I go with one of the Off the Grid holsters using a handgun with a similar manual of arms.
I wish there was an equivalent for the P2000sk, but until then I will happily carry my Glock.
5'11" 160 lbs sz. 33 waist
I've tried a variety of IWB carry methods ranging from Uncle Mikes to Alien Gear Hybrids, just isn't comfortable for me. I know other people who do carry IWB similar size firearms without complaint. Maybe I'm just a whiner.
I'm right handed and carry on my stronghand side OWB on a standard leather belt in a Bianchi leather holster. Usually I just wear an undershirt (tucked in) with a larger over shirt draped over the 19 and extra mag pouch (weak hand side).
I've tried a variety of IWB carry methods ranging from Uncle Mikes to Alien Gear Hybrids, just isn't comfortable for me. I know other people who do carry IWB similar size firearms without complaint. Maybe I'm just a whiner.
I'm right handed and carry on my stronghand side OWB on a standard leather belt in a Bianchi leather holster. Usually I just wear an undershirt (tucked in) with a larger over shirt draped over the 19 and extra mag pouch (weak hand side).
9x18_Walther
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I too am a bit concerned with the four rules of safety. Honestly, I'm not willing to destroy my leg regardless if proper trigger disciple is practiced. I'm concerned about the trigger getting caught in the holster. I'd like to find a OWB solution that works for a small frame.
The four rules can't always apply. After all, you could never enter a gun range with a pistol in a range bag now could you? At some point they are going to be pointed at someone albeit in a case in a bag.
As for shoulder holsters, I'll leave it at this. If a gun is going to go off accidental or negligently, I would hope the only person a CCW holder is going to injure is themselves. Putting others at risk with a Galco Miami Classic or similar is idiotic. Now the Galco VHS system that puts the gun vertically? That's okay.
The four rules can't always apply. After all, you could never enter a gun range with a pistol in a range bag now could you? At some point they are going to be pointed at someone albeit in a case in a bag.
As for shoulder holsters, I'll leave it at this. If a gun is going to go off accidental or negligently, I would hope the only person a CCW holder is going to injure is themselves. Putting others at risk with a Galco Miami Classic or similar is idiotic. Now the Galco VHS system that puts the gun vertically? That's okay.
jglsprings
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This ^^^
My first Wally walk.
Me too. 5'8" 140lbs. I got an Alien Gear IWB and can't find the magic with it - just can't get comfortable yet. I also have an OWB from Defensive Concealment and I think it is going to work out. I haven't worn it out yet but around the house feels pretty good and seems to conceal pretty well with just a polo shirt and not overall big at that.
9x18_Walther
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Thanks for the review. I might have to try it out. Looks promising.
It is only possible to wear one's "normal size pants" with a full-sized pistol carried IWB if one or more of the following are true.AK103 said:
1. Your "normal size pants" are about 2" larger in the waistband than they really need to be.
2. You are willing to tolerate the discomfort when carrying caused by effectively wearing pants that are about 2" smaller in the waistband than they should be. AND you don't have back problems.
3. You have a very high tolerance for discomfort (and don't have back problems) and don't actually notice that you're effectively wearing pants that are about 2" smaller in the waistband than they need to be when carrying the pistol.
4. You wear pants made of a fairly elastic material and adjust your belt significantly (about 2" ) when carrying a full-sized pistol IWB.
I suppose there's another option, and that would be that your pants are about 1" too large (which probably wouldn't be a major issue for most people) and you can tolerate them being a little bit loose when not carrying and a little bit tight when carrying. Adjusting one's belt could help take up the slack.
The bottom line is that if your pants "fit" in the conventional sense, then there isn't room to put a full-size pistol and holster inside your pants with you because that will take up about 2" of space. The converse is also true. If a full-sized pistol and holster fits comfortably inside your pants then the pants won't fit in the conventional sense without the gear sharing the space with you because there's about 2" more space in there than there needs to be when you're not carrying.
I don't really get how this continues to be an issue, nor what you seem to think is to be gained by trying to convince people that they can stuff a full-sized pistol and holster into normally fitting pants without any repercussions.
I get that you manage it and I also get that apparently you think it's a big deal that you can, but the fact that you can manage it is absolutely not evidence of what is going to be true for most people, nor is it really helpful to give general advice based on your obviously anomalous ability.
For OWB, don't overlook the cheap Glock belt slide...it actually works great.
Most of the time, my G26 rides in a kydex clip on IWB. Yes, I always use caution on reholstering, and usually will just pull the holster out to do it. I do practice careful one handed reholster also.
Most of the time, my G26 rides in a kydex clip on IWB. Yes, I always use caution on reholstering, and usually will just pull the holster out to do it. I do practice careful one handed reholster also.
It seems many people place the emphasis on their gear, and put to much faith in relying on in it, instead of putting the emphasis on their handling.
That holster should have been scrapped.
Manual safeties are not infallible, and many times, are not in place when assumed to be. What is shown in the pic above, could have caused anything else stuffed into it to discharge as well, and especially if you werent paying attention.
I really dont see how it contiues to be an issue either.
Ive been doing it for my whole life, and it hasnt been a problem, and it isnt uncomfortable, and it aides in keeping the gun in place. Ive done it fat and skinny too, so its not just a certain body shape type thing.
My measured waist size is 32, I wear off the shelf pants labeled 32. I carry 99% of my handguns, IWB.
If it doesnt work for you, for what ever reason, fine, dont do it. In the same vein that you say its not helpful to suggest it, Im simply saying youre doing the same disfavor, insisting its cant be done, simply because you cant do it.
Its an option that can save you money, and help with carrying/concealing your gun. All you have to do, is give it a reasonable try, and see if it works. How hard is that?
Skeets, looks about right to me. I just had the last round of chemo and feel like I must get better to die. Give me a couple of weeks and I should be back at the range. I did make it out last week and shot the Annie and the Spartan. I hope your treatment goes well. God bless!