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Future gun control - we've already lost
- Thread starter ctdonath
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I don't think the anti gun crusade is worried about our being able to stop troops. Face it, NO ONE with a privately owned gun of ANY type is a threat to a force against them. The troops would be UN in any case and we wouldn't even recognize their nationality.
The crusade against guns is to remove your ability to stop the ONE gov't agent who has come for your telephone, gold, car, kids, tax payment, or whatever else you may THINK you own.
This is not an attempt to take your shooting fun. This is a fully thought out plan to make you unable to resist ANY edict to remove your property. Freedom, sh*t, they want your stuff. Any stuff. Unapproved videos, books, computers, ANYTHING that will keep you from becoming a SLAVE.
The crusade against guns is to remove your ability to stop the ONE gov't agent who has come for your telephone, gold, car, kids, tax payment, or whatever else you may THINK you own.
This is not an attempt to take your shooting fun. This is a fully thought out plan to make you unable to resist ANY edict to remove your property. Freedom, sh*t, they want your stuff. Any stuff. Unapproved videos, books, computers, ANYTHING that will keep you from becoming a SLAVE.
Paul Revere
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Check out the 22 May 2000 issue of Time magazine, page 100 entitled, "What will be the weapons of the future?"
Still doesn't concern me at all. The higher tech the equipment, the more dependent they become to it. A target is a target is a target.
Still doesn't concern me at all. The higher tech the equipment, the more dependent they become to it. A target is a target is a target.
Be prepared to cut the arm off the soldier who's weapon you strip from him......most likely the Grunt's of the future will have bar code or chip implants installed under the skin.
Identifying them as a friendly army trooper....this will engage the new fangled battle rifle and make it ready to fire.
....If you or I, or the enemy nations trooper tries to upgrade his potential by picking up this higher grade tech weapon...we get a big "fizzle fart".
"YOU, are not authorised to use this Spacely Sprocket MEGA BLASTER 6000".
" Have a nice day! "
Once the technology gets perfected in 10 years or so....fun huh'.
Keep your rifles clean, and learn how to service them!
WOLF
Identifying them as a friendly army trooper....this will engage the new fangled battle rifle and make it ready to fire.
....If you or I, or the enemy nations trooper tries to upgrade his potential by picking up this higher grade tech weapon...we get a big "fizzle fart".
"YOU, are not authorised to use this Spacely Sprocket MEGA BLASTER 6000".
" Have a nice day! "
Once the technology gets perfected in 10 years or so....fun huh'.
Keep your rifles clean, and learn how to service them!
WOLF
Buzz - there's no evidence that the Liberators were used successfully by partisans. If there is, I'd be interested in the story.
Here's from a page http://home.pacbell.net/rlhag65/liber.htm
The correct name for the Liberator Pistol is the "Flare Projector" Caliber .45 (FP-45). During 1942 over a
six month period one million pistols were produced. Actual production of the pistol was about 11 weeks.
Using that figure, 300 people produced a pistol with 23 parts every 6.6 seconds, 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week, for 11 weeks. This is probably the only pistol that could be made faster than it could be loaded.
Loading takes about 10 seconds.
Many stories have been told about how this pistol was distributed and used. Some are true but most have no
basis. The story about how they were dropped into occupied France by the tens of thousands has not been
documented. They were used in France but in very limited numbers. Most of the pistols were used in the
Philippines and China. Another story is that the pistols were made for the OSS. The OSS had no knowledge
of this pistol until after development and production was completed. They were developed for and made by
the U.S. Army, who later gave them to the OSS.
I've read in other sources that they were a flop.
Here's from a page http://home.pacbell.net/rlhag65/liber.htm
The correct name for the Liberator Pistol is the "Flare Projector" Caliber .45 (FP-45). During 1942 over a
six month period one million pistols were produced. Actual production of the pistol was about 11 weeks.
Using that figure, 300 people produced a pistol with 23 parts every 6.6 seconds, 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week, for 11 weeks. This is probably the only pistol that could be made faster than it could be loaded.
Loading takes about 10 seconds.
Many stories have been told about how this pistol was distributed and used. Some are true but most have no
basis. The story about how they were dropped into occupied France by the tens of thousands has not been
documented. They were used in France but in very limited numbers. Most of the pistols were used in the
Philippines and China. Another story is that the pistols were made for the OSS. The OSS had no knowledge
of this pistol until after development and production was completed. They were developed for and made by
the U.S. Army, who later gave them to the OSS.
I've read in other sources that they were a flop.
Battler: "I wonder what a future CNC combination lathe/milling-machine/dremel can be programmed to do in 20 minutes?" In a _long_ armed conflict, having the tools to make the weapons may be a factor.
Stoic: "The battle now being waged is in the information arena. An informed military and body of citizens is our best defense. Win
the propaganda war. Truth is our best weapon. Educate the populace. Expose fraud and deceit in our government and its officials. That's the real war."
I think Stoic is right; the real enemy is the system. Political power now comes directly from wealth; politics IS money. Whether voting third party will cure this or not is open to discussion. The first American politics was about ideas, not money.
Our forefathers rejected a system of taxation far less onerous than the one we have now. Why should this happen in a democracy? Because wealthy individuals and corporations control who can run for office and who can't. Our representatives have been bought, and not by us.
Stoic: "The battle now being waged is in the information arena. An informed military and body of citizens is our best defense. Win
the propaganda war. Truth is our best weapon. Educate the populace. Expose fraud and deceit in our government and its officials. That's the real war."
I think Stoic is right; the real enemy is the system. Political power now comes directly from wealth; politics IS money. Whether voting third party will cure this or not is open to discussion. The first American politics was about ideas, not money.
Our forefathers rejected a system of taxation far less onerous than the one we have now. Why should this happen in a democracy? Because wealthy individuals and corporations control who can run for office and who can't. Our representatives have been bought, and not by us.
The UN? The same UN that is being held hostage AGAIN in ANOTHER hellhole they were sent there to "pacify." The UN is impotent and worse than useless. They send in undertrained, undermotivated, and underequipped "peacekeepers" that only serve to distract the locals from killing each other long enough to kill the blue hats and get THEIR stuff. I'm not afraid of the UN. Should the dire predictions of some come true and some poor Pakistani SOB has to walk point on a disarmament patrol in Peoria that mother's son will not survive to see the homeland again. Ask any cop what happens when they intervene in a domestic fight; they get BOTH parties climbing on them.
That said, the US citizen has the right to the same basic weapon that the individual soldier carries. Right now we cn get an AR-15 type rifle. Not perfect but pretty close.
The next big development in small arms seems to be transitioning from steel and aluminum to polymers and titanium. There aren't any real paradigm shifts in weapon mechanics on the individual level. The current trend seems to be the combination of information-processing capability with the weapon allowing greater reaction speed and flexibility. Something along the lines of a video game where the weapon projects a HUD aiming point and allows use of night vision or thermal imaging. This ability already exists, just not in one integrated package.
That OICWS program looks interesting but all those buttons, knobs, and dials will be fun to play with in combat, not to mention subject to failure at the worst time. At least by adopting the G36 they are making the rifle more reliable.
In terms of insurrection a citizen might be better served with a reliable rifle in a medium caliber such as 7.62 or even .30-06 since AP ammo is still available. Up close the trained infantry squad will have the advantage in tactics and firepower. But as the military transitions to carbines and short range grenade launchers the extra 200 meters of accurate range will give the partisan sniper an advantage. Shoot the machinegunners and officers, then leave. Repeat as necessary.
That said, the US citizen has the right to the same basic weapon that the individual soldier carries. Right now we cn get an AR-15 type rifle. Not perfect but pretty close.
The next big development in small arms seems to be transitioning from steel and aluminum to polymers and titanium. There aren't any real paradigm shifts in weapon mechanics on the individual level. The current trend seems to be the combination of information-processing capability with the weapon allowing greater reaction speed and flexibility. Something along the lines of a video game where the weapon projects a HUD aiming point and allows use of night vision or thermal imaging. This ability already exists, just not in one integrated package.
That OICWS program looks interesting but all those buttons, knobs, and dials will be fun to play with in combat, not to mention subject to failure at the worst time. At least by adopting the G36 they are making the rifle more reliable.
In terms of insurrection a citizen might be better served with a reliable rifle in a medium caliber such as 7.62 or even .30-06 since AP ammo is still available. Up close the trained infantry squad will have the advantage in tactics and firepower. But as the military transitions to carbines and short range grenade launchers the extra 200 meters of accurate range will give the partisan sniper an advantage. Shoot the machinegunners and officers, then leave. Repeat as necessary.
tackdriver
New member
Stoic,
Sorry I'm so late to jump on this:
Do I think US soldiers would fire on US citizens?
Kent State and Operation/Project Phoenix come to mind
Sorry I'm so late to jump on this:
Do I think US soldiers would fire on US citizens?
Kent State and Operation/Project Phoenix come to mind