Fusion Firearms

Bob took care of everything - the gun was repaired and refitted, refinished in my choice of colors, new trigger installed, shorter front sight installed, and every part of it inspected for fit, finish, and function. The charge for all of this was $68.00 for the trigger and front sight. Fusion covered everything else under warranty - even though I bought it second hand. Now the gun runs perfectly, it is incredibly accurate and has the best trigger of any of my 1911's.

WC145:

That is the really odd thing that I find with the post from VTRich. Never does he even mention anything at all about contacting Bob Serva regarding his difficulties.

And to instead attempt kludge fixes himself on a custom gun? Doesn't make much sense at all to me.

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Hopefully Serva does get his company straightened around!! I speak negatively about them all the time because they are currently spotty as far as QC goes. That should not be an issue being discussed when pricing pistols like they do. Bob can build a heck of a pistol, he just needs to lay down the law on his employees or get his butt back in the back and show em how it is done. I wish the best for every company! I speak negatively about them, kimber, and Taurus, but for good reason. All these companies need to do to be successful is: Fusion needs WAY BETTER attention to detail to stop QC issues, Kimber needs to lower their prices, $100 on most models and $200-250 on some because their are better options in every price point that their company makes guns for, and Taurus just needs to stop advertising that they have all these custom features on their $600 gun!!! They make a sub standard 1911 which is a decent shooter and decently reliable in most circumstances, but is fit poorly from small sparts to slide to frame fit. If all 3 did this, they would be much better off IMO
 
WC145:

That is the really odd thing that I find with the post from VTRich. Never does he even mention anything at all about contacting Bob Serva regarding his difficulties.

And to instead attempt kludge fixes himself on a custom gun? Doesn't make much sense at all to me.

I thought the same thing but I can't speak for anyone but myself. My gun was, for all intents and purposes, brand new when I got it so when I had problems it made sense to go to the guys that built it, but that's me. And, that's what warrantees are for, right?

Most remarkable about the service I got was that Bob went waaaayyy out of his way to help me work out the issues before sending the gun back in order to save me the time without it. It was labor day weekend and not only did he communicate with me via email throughout the weekend but sent me his phone number so I could call him on Labor Day Monday to discuss the gun and what to do with it. I can't imagine he'd be any less accomodating to someone that had actually ordered and purchased their gun directly from his company.

My gun is great - it's the right size, weight, caliber - a really nice package. It's put together right with terrific fit and finish. If you know what you're looking at you can appreciate the subtle melt job, the checkering on the front strap and MSH, undercut trigger guard, radiused frame butt, etc. However, when you get past all of that, it's one more 1911 like so many others. So, as a Fusion gun, what sets it apart from the rest of the crowd? Bob Serva and the service I received, not only from his company but from him directly. I try to buy quality stuff but I can't imagine that the CEO of Land Rover is going to tell me to call him this weekend over the frame issues I'm having. If one of his guns isn't right Bob Serva takes it personally and sees that it is fixed. IMO, that personal service is what sets Fusion apart from their competition.

Hopefully Serva does get his company straightened around!! I speak negatively about them all the time because they are currently spotty as far as QC goes. That should not be an issue being discussed when pricing pistols like they do. Bob can build a heck of a pistol, he just needs to lay down the law on his employees or get his butt back in the back and show em how it is done. I wish the best for every company! I speak negatively about them, kimber, and Taurus, but for good reason. All these companies need to do to be successful is: Fusion needs WAY BETTER attention to detail to stop QC issues, Kimber needs to lower their prices, $100 on most models and $200-250 on some because their are better options in every price point that their company makes guns for, and Taurus just needs to stop advertising that they have all these custom features on their $600 gun!!! They make a sub standard 1911 which is a decent shooter and decently reliable in most circumstances, but is fit poorly from small sparts to slide to frame fit. If all 3 did this, they would be much better off IMO

All very good points. That's one of the reasons I brought up my S&W 1911 earlier. It's got good fit and finish, not custom house level but very good. The gun looks great and, more importantly, it runs great. Everything works, it's accurate, 100% reliable, and S&W probably made as many of that one model as Fusion did total guns last year.

It's true that Bob makes sure things are right in the end but if S&W can make sure their guns are right before they leave the factory then a small builder should be able to do it too. If he can work that out then the skies the limit for Fusion.
 
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negative... Lots of good info on the company and their QC and CS over at GT

rsxr22:

Well, the bashing of Fusion that "HAIL CAESAR" has led on Glock Talk is very lame, in my opinion. He went into such great detail about all the obviously visible defects that he claimed that his gun had. Yet, in both of the super long threads that he started, he never once produced a single photo of his Fusion to illustrate these issues. VTRich has made similar complains here as well I see, yet once again, not a single photo produced to back up the claims.

HAIL CAESAR went way out of his way to go on an absolute vendetta against Fusion in a number of online forums, and then wondered why the company balked at dealing with him further. They finally got rid of him by giving him a full refund. He even continued to bash Fusion for a couple of months after he got his refund, but GlockTalk finally closed the thread.

I wish the best for every company! I speak negatively about them

I see, so you wish Fusion the best, yet bash them at every opportunity? So you are doing all of this without any personal, first hand experience in dealing with the company yourself? Just based on what others have said?

Very, very lame of you to do, in my opinion.

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My gun is great - it's the right size, weight, caliber - a really nice package. It's put together right with terrific fit and finish.


WC145:

My experience in dealing with Fusion was wonderful . Bob Serva gave me all kinds of personal attention. And I have had ZERO issues with my Fusion. I could not be more happy with it.

The serial number on my Fusion is only 000187, though. So I do believe that I have an early production gun.


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Dc9Loser asked for people's experiences with Fusion. I gave him mine. Other people have given them theirs. Now he can make a decision.

I'm sorry I don't bring cameras and video to the range with me, but I go there to shoot.

As for "Kludge" fixes. Adjusting, or replacing an extractor, or trying different recoil springs are about as basic as it gets. Anyone who shoots a 1911 should be able to do that, or at least understand how such changes effect the operation of the gun. I contacted Fusion about the weak extraction and ejection, and I received a very nice e-mail listing what recoil springs I should try, and what ones work for them. My gun is fairly early production, and at that time, guns were returned on our dime, not Fusions.

It's funny the experience of Hail Caesar came up. I don't know about on other forums, but on the 1911forum.com (not m1911.org), Hail Caesar posted MANY DETAILED photos of his guns flaws. I could not believe Fusions let that gun be shipped. He spent a lot of money, and waited MANY months to get that gun. That thread disappeared, as all threads do wich voice complaint.

If Fusion has hired apprentices to build guns and keep up with demand, then even more reason to step up QC, and make sure these guns work before they are shipped.

It's nice to read experiences like WC145 had, but let's face it, they had to bascially rebuild the gun. If I am going to buy a custom gun, I feel the QC should be done by the builder, not me. I should not have to send it back.
 
I'm sorry I don't bring cameras and video to the range with me, but I go there to shoot.

You never posted a photo of your gun here, to even verify that you actually do own a Fusion.


I don't know about on other forums, but on the 1911forum.com (not m1911.org), Hail Caesar posted MANY DETAILED photos of his guns flaws. I could not believe Fusions let that gun be shipped. He spent a lot of money, and waited MANY months to get that gun. That thread disappeared, as all threads do wich voice complaint.

Pretty convenient, no? If he had taken so many detailed photos, then why did he never post any of them in his two huge threads that he started on Glocktalk? He went so far there as to post a number of photos on Glocktalk that he claimed were from other Fusion owners, yet he never bothered to post any photos of his own gun? That makes no sense to me. If he had photos of his pistol available to post, why did he never use them?


I contacted Fusion about the weak extraction and ejection, and I received a very nice e-mail listing what recoil springs I should try, and what ones work for them. My gun is fairly early production, and at that time, guns were returned on our dime, not Fusions.

but let's face it, they had to bascially rebuild the gun. If I am going to buy a custom gun, I feel the QC should be done by the builder, not me. I should not have to send it back.


So for a cost of a small shipping charge, you refused to work with Bob Serva, as WC145 did. Instead, you refused to ship the gun back, based on the principle that you should not have been put out so? That sure makes a lot of sense too. You certainly cannot complain about customer service at Fusion, since you never even gave them a chance to help you.

Talk about cutting off one's nose to spite your face.

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I talked with Bob Serva about some issues with my gun & all I got out of him was "That's not uncommon". I'm done with Fusion.
 
To correct a minor mis-representation:

Hail Ceasar posted numerous photos of the hack-job Fusion sent him as a Custom pistol. And all he got from the company was excuses and blame, no resolution until over a year later, despite repeated promises!!!

If Lance didn't see the photos, he either had his eyes closed or wasn't fast enough at the Kool-aid site, since negative posts disappear fast over there! Is it any wonder Fusion uses it as a sales tool? One has to wonder how much financial support they offer that forum for the administrators to serve them up an unsuspecting audience?

Anyone else remember the BSDW limited ed Razorbacks? Horribly executed despite all the promises before the fact, and nothing but excuses after delivery.

Many of Hail Ceasar's photos are still up at GT, so perhaps Lance just needs help finding them:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1235302&highlight=fusion&page=2
 
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I am sorry but when you spend that much for a custom gun the QC has got to better. Bob Serva can make a great gun as others have said but when he steps out and lets the other people in his company do the work the product seems to suffer.

It might be a matter of too much growth. It might be improper skill or training. Either way there are way too many examples of defective guns leaving his shop. IMHO Asking the customer to ship a defective pistol back on their dime is unacceptable at this price point.

I have a hard time even considering a custom pistol in the $2500+ range when the best someone can say about him is he made it right after I got a defective pistol.

Again it makes you wonder who is watching the shop? With one off custom pistols there is no reason that they are not properly test firing them before they leave. I like Bob and hope he rights the ship. I considered his pistols after he left DW but these days I look elsewhere.
 
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I don't doubt that there have been QC issues w/ Fusions. But I wouldn't rely on HC's account as indicative of their problems. Because frankly the longer that episode went on, the less faith I had in the accuracy of his rendition of what was happening. The whole thing took on the air of a vendetta.
 
Fusion Pro-35

I've had this Ion-bonded 5" pistol for nearly three years now. About 3k of my re-loads through it. After I tuned the extractor, its been flawless. It is inherently more accurate (not by much) than my two Valors, an '09 and a '10 and both of those are great pistols. I'm too old to wait a year for a gun. I believe I'd pick-up a Valor if I were you. You can get them now.
 
While I haven't had the pleasure of owning or operating a Fusion gun, yet, I have had good experience buying parts, very good customer service and responsive to my needs. Just my two bits worth.
 
OK, I stand corrected about "Hail Caeser" posting pics on GlockTalk. I waded through lots of posts, and had not spotted those.

If these allegations are true, then that is truly a terrible shame, as my Fusion is a great gun. But I did get it back in early 2008.

I still find it extremely hard to believe any of the personal attacks that have been made against Bob Serva. I don't believe that he is either dishonest, or a liar either.

Perhaps his company is struggling, but that does not mean that he is a bad person.

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Lance,

I don't know BS, never met BS, he may indeed be the salt of the earth, but his actions do not always paint a positive picture. He enjoys a complaint-free environment at that other site, and if that's the only input he receives, then he'll never improve the company.

I would not spend a nickel on a Fusion I could not personally inspect first. There are lots of parts-fitters in the market, and some have a great rep, outside one web-site, Fusion does not.
 
I will order a Fusion longslide Hunter when I get a job again. I was in the process of ordering one about a year ago, had the full customization going on with Bob, and another pistol came along I could not pass up for the price. Bob understood and graciously asked to receive my business sometime in the future. Positive, responsive to my questions and learning curve, and professional; Bob Serva.


Caesar's salad? I've seen his trolling hard wand for Fusion in several sights. Wish I had his time to burn on forums. Guy spent the first 4 months of ownership whining about failures instead of just sending it back for a fix. Yeah, 4 months of crying in MANY forums, before DOING something about it.
 
I don't know BS, never met BS, he may indeed be the salt of the earth, but his actions do not always paint a positive picture.

Well, Hail Caesar is a pompous, vainglorious crybaby, in my opinion. The way that he went on and on with all of those threads on Glocktalk for so many months? Only a totally self-absorbed person would act like that. He declared a one man war on Fusion to harm their reputation, and then he wondered why he did not get service from them?

And you yourself are not all that much better, to engage in such childish behavior here as referring to Bob Serva as "BS". That is talking on a Three Stooges level.

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Childish to use the man's initials? :rolleyes:

Personal attacks on those who relate negative experiences with Serva-run companies says even more.

So, are you related to or just employed by Bob? :cool:

Either way, it's clear we're far apart on the issue, so I will agree to disagree.
 
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