Furthest you've shot with an air rifle

I havn't done anything too bad.

I kept shooting cans and when I missed (which was QUITE frequently since I had a really crappy air rifle and was trying to shoot it from about 20m, and kept hitting the metal door of the garden.

Pretty soon there was no paint left on it...it was dry and all, and so it all came off :o :rolleyes:
 
Anyone tried this technique
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I'm not a scope person, but by all accounts, the method you described works very well.

To the point that winning contestants at the top levels of FT are able to make consistent first round hits (you only get one shot at each target) at unknown ranges even in windy conditions. I believe ranges vary out to 60 yards or so.

The killzones on the FT targets are very small--around an inch in diameter or less in some cases.

Also, there are power (energy) restrictions on the air rifles used which means that ranging is critical as the trajectory definitely plays a part.
 
I accidently shot my best friend in the head with a Benjaman .22 air rifle when we were kids. You can still feel the pellet under the skin just behind his left ear. Unlike these panseys I see today, he got up, called me a few choice names and we went in his house and watched McHales Navy.

Best shot I ever made. I got a Beeman P-1 .177 pistol about 1984. The same guy I mentioned above and I were standing in his driveway (six or seven years after the episode with the Benjaman). He was shooting at a chipmunk on a rail road tie that was over 50 yards away. I was trying to explain to him that this pistol wasn't like the pellet guns we had as kids. He didn't have to hold six feet high to hit it. I said, let me see that thing and held right on the chipmunks back. We heard that pellet hit meat and the chipmunk was knocked off the tie. The chipmunk ran the other way and didn't seem the worse for wear.
 
A lot of FT shooters use variable zoom high power mag scopes.

What I don't really understand is do they "calibrate the scope at various distances " in ONE power or several powers?

Let's say you have a can at 30m. You've got your nice air rifle, your nice var. zoom scope and no idea how many clicks of elevation you need to hit the damn thing. (we assume no wind).

Now, let's say you want to calibrate your scope. So you take the can put it at 10m. Focus the objective perfectly, and mark that point in the objective as 10m (somehow, I don't know how you would mark a scope). You shoot, adjust, shoot and adjust the clicks on the scope until you get it right.

Step 2. Put the can at 20m. Adjust the new focus on the objective, mark that point as 20m on the scope. Shoot, adjust, shoot and adjust again. And you notice that to shoot at 20m you have to change the elevation on the scope by 6 clicks (just made that up). Then you do the same for 40 and 50m.

So let's say you are back at the original situation. Can at 30m, same rifle, but now your have markings on your scope and a "range card" or whatever with the MOA clicks.

You focus the image of the can and look at the scope reading you marked earlier and say "Oh, 30m, that's cool" and look at your card and see that it's 15 clicks up from your 10m zero. So you adjust 15 clicks up, aim, keep it steady and all that stuff, and bam...right on target.

Is that how you would do it?

Plus, what does zeroing a rifle mean? Let's say you zero it at 30m, that means that if you shoot something at 30m, the center of the cross hairs will get that target. if you shoot something at 50m, it will fall short, right?

But is the MOA setting on a zeroed scope like 0 MOA ?and then 50m is +20 clicks and 10m is -20 clicks or something?

Someone clear this whole thing up for me? I'm confused.
 
Seems to me that far to many people underate the humble air gun to the point of hurting themselves or someone else it would appear!I own several rifles full bore, rim fire and a much used .22 Rapid 7 in 30 ft/lbs that is zeroed at 45 yds. With 30ft/lbs behind a 14 grain Croosman Premier this shoots far flatter than my rimfire (SAKO) and is as accurate. At the end of the day it's all about shot placement, 30 ft/lbs just keeps it flatter for longer. (I know it will have less terminal energy than the Sako) I am surprised that with no restriction on power in the states that more people don't use airguns regularly out to 70 yd's or more.
 
Your first link did not quite work there....


Theoden air rifles have the same or more energy at 100 yards as most other air rifles' muzzle energy.
 
Try this

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/79537

Straight from my Favorites menu... :)

If you wish to see kinetic energy and velocity figures from real tests, visit Straight Shooters site. Manufacturers get real creative here, so Straight Shooters test them themselves using different pellets. A manufacturer will do the velocity test with a light pellet to get speed and the KE test with a heavy pellet to get higher foot pounds. The Theobens broght in by Beeman are the Crow Magnum III (Eliminator in UK), the SLR98 (same in UK in FAC or non-FAC), both gas piston powered and the PCP Super 12 (Rapid 12).

I have a Theoben and had a previous (unfortunately not a Rapid), but the statement about 100 yards and the muzzle has just too many variables, like caliber, weights, velocity, etc. to be taken at face value.

Beeman imports the Rapid 12 (not the MkII) to the US as the Super 12. It has a muzzle weight, but not the silencer. PCP guns do make quite a crack, especially on high power.

Good Luck, they are real addictive.
 
Better

the link worked.

The specs on the energy and speeds of the Theobens is here at http://www.theoben.co.uk/noframe/fac_info.html

I don't think they could lie like that...there must be SOME truth to what they say.

I finally see the "light" ;) So the Theobens were right under my nose in the beeman hompage...I was looking for the actual Theobens in a sepearate page. Oh well. I see now.

Sooo...you had a Theoben PCP?

What is better a PCP or a spring piston?

See, I would consider a PCP if I could recharge with a pump, but they say that the PCP are designed for scuba tank air compressor type of recharging not manual pumps...

See I don't want to go to a damn gas station or wherever you can recharge these things,

I would rather get a spring pistion. But if it does work with a pump, then I would consider PCP...
 
I did not have the PCP. I had a Beeman Crow Magnum III in .22 (sold/traded) and now have a Beeman SLR-98 in .22. Both were gas spring rifles.

I prefer springers as they are self contained with no need for pumps or scuba tanks and the extra dollars. HOWEVER...

I have been considering entering the PCP world with an Air Arms 400 (singleshot) or 410 (repeater). I just really like Air Arms. I bought the CMIII to trade for a PCP, but was side-tracked by another airgun. On the airgun boards, they call PCP's the "Dark Side". Power without recoil... ;) I also have the Air Arms TX200MkII and a TX200HC, plus an RWS46.

On advantage of PCP is you do not need to use special scopes, except for the close focusing. Springers will destroy a normal scope due to the double action recoil which is harder on a scope than a .458 Winchester Magnum. Do NOT use unless airgun rated and WARRANTEED by the manufacturer.
 
PCP Pumps

There is a foot pump.... more exercise and $175-240.

There is a compressor at $750.

There is a scuba tank. Used at $100-150 (will need to be inspected initially and at certain intervals.) Check with a dive shop if they will refill it if you do not have a divers cert. Most will if they know you have a PCP or paintball gun. (Is a dive shop close? If not, might be a PIA.)
 
Ok, a question for you then.

Are the SLR 98 and CM III worth the price of 5 Beeman R9s? (the one I was originally considering before I investigated PCP and Spring Gas pistons and got drawn to the "Dark Side" ;))
 
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There is this, the FX hand pump for PCP airguns..."a serious tool" they say.

150 bucks...

so with this you would only spend 150 bucks and then you would have a self-sustained PCP air gun...

so that's what I'm considering...a Super 12 PCP Beeman or a low cost R9 or the more powerful Crow Magunum.

I have a feeling that the SLR 98 is not good enough for it's price...power and range-wise...
 
The SLR is OK to 40 yard with skill on smaller pests. If it is bigger or further, I would use a .22RF. Dollar for dollar it is not the best airgun deal in the world. A BSA Goldstar with 10 shot mag and Theoben gas spring is 1/2 the price with a lot of the features.

To me the Theoben SLR98 is like a gun with engraving. The engraving will not make it shoot better, but it implies a certain craftsmanship. Anschutz barrel accurate, exotic stock, etc. I like a great looking gun. I also love my Remington PSS and Armalite too, function before beauty sometimes. I just like a nice airgun or shotgun.

The R-9 is a great piece. Having had the CM I would get the R-9 as it is nicer to shoot all day. Also take a look at the Air Arms TX200. You will be hooked. They are so smooth that it is like getting a custom tuned gun. No spring twang or buzz. There has been a lot if discussion on the http://www.straightshooters.com board on the merits of the TX200 versus others.
 
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