Full auto Glock 17 endurance test

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub4OswUhLwo

A Glock 17, rigged to full auto, with a shoulder stock, being fired full auto to failure(s).
It ran lots of rounds before it melted the plastic spring guide; they replaced it w/ a steel one, and fired a lot more rounds.

I doubt there's much military value to a full auto G17, but the reliability and durability of this gun, and the ease of putting a shoulder stock on it go a long way to indicating what a low cost replacement of the M9 could be.
 
You had me at "full auto Glock" :cool:

Just curious. Would putting a shoulder stock on an otherwise normal Glock (or any semi auto) make it illegal?
 
Yes. The US Government thinks you are even more dangerous than usual if you have a pistol with a stock on it. There are exemptions for Curios and Relics and you could have one licensed and taxed, if you just must; but they are not legal for over the counter sale.
 
A few years ago, at a police range, I had the opportunity to fire a full auto Glock G18. It didn't have a shoulder stock, and I saw a little tactical use for it, but it was fun to shoot. This thread got me to wondering: Does anyone know if original factory select fire G18's have had any internal parts "beefed up" or replaced - as compared to a converted-to-full-auto G17 - in order to withstand the (expected) rigors of a lot of full auto shooting?
 
> if original factory select fire G18's have had any internal parts "beefed up" or replaced - as compared to a converted-to-full-auto G17 <

The G18 does have different non-transferable internals from the G17.

That makes the performance of the G17 in this Youtube test even more impressive.
 
Very cool, if this video proves anything, it's that steel guide rods are pointless unless you plan on shooting about 700rds in under 3 minutes.
 
I am aware of the handgun/shoulder stock restriction and IMhO it's one of the most irritating and foolish restrictions on the books.

I mean I could on occasion actually benefit from a shoulder stock and it makes a hand gun LESS CONCEALABLE!!!

Rant over.
 
Does anyone know if original factory select fire G18's have had any internal parts "beefed up" or replaced - as compared to a converted-to-full-auto G17 - in order to withstand the (expected) rigors of a lot of full auto shooting?
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As far as I know, the only differences are to insure that it is not possible to interchange parts to make a full-auto G17 with parts from a G18. Otherwise, you could convert a G17 to a G18 by putting the slide assembly from the G18 onto a G17.

The test is impressive, however it's worth pointing out that shooting the pistol with a stock will make it slightly more reliable than if it were shot normally.

It would be interesting to know how the gun would have run had they installed another factory recoil spring assembly when the first one failed. Sounds like some of the issues that caused the test to end were related to heat transfer from the steel guide rod that was installed.

I also wonder if the original RSA was one of the newer parts which were designed to prevent/ameliorate the issue with the guide rods melting under severe use.
 
Great video. A few observations

1. You'd never catch me purposefully trying to destroy a gun esp in these torture tests in full auto. Even with the gloves, a squib and a few following rounds could create a hand grenade of metal, lead and plastic.

2. I love Glock torture tests though! Reminds me of why I rely on a Glock. They are super workhorses. 1200+ rounds under extreme circumstances until failure, and only a few failures to feed which were likely due to the extreme circumstances.

3. Those mags I think are Korean. Seems to settle the argument. They appeared quite reliable. Only a few failures, and again that was likely due to the extreme fouling and heat.

Highly entertaining video. Off to buy a metal guide rod... lol
 
leadcounsel said:
a squib and a few following rounds could create a hand grenade of metal, lead and plastic.
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stagdpanther said:
That was my first thought.
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It's not going to load itself after a squib. Doesn't make any difference if it's a semi-automatic or full-auto, if someone is stupid enough to manually load another round and continue firing after the squib fails to cycle, the consequences can be bad.
 
I've never understood why people spend money "upgrading" the factory guide rod. I couldn't wear mine out if I tried.
 
Jim Yeager did a 1000 rd. semi-auto test on a a G19 that also showed a high degree of reliability/durabilty.

Towards the end, plastic guide rod melted and was rattling around, but the gun kept working. There were a couple stove pipes that he blamed on ammo, versus the gun.

On this part 2 Youtube vid, at about 6 minutes, he discusses the results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZxQfIBXDc

"Shot on location at the 2008 Tactical Response Alumni Weekend. 1000 rounds shot through a Glock 19 in just under 14 minutes."
 
Re: the internals G17 vs G18...

There are a cpl companies that make a replacement end plate that has a switch to turn any Glock model full-auto. These are of course restricted to LE/Mil users.

A Full-auto handgun is quite the handfull but after a little practice 3-4 shot bursts are easy to control. Add a shoulder stock and it becomes a nice little PDW.

Cyclic rate is about 1800 rounds per min... Pretty darn fast. Uzi's are only about 650rpm and the fast M11 is at about 1200. 1800rpm is FAST
 
Ross's G17

Writer Ross Seyfried (?) had a G17 he was working with over a period of years and the round count was astronomical. I've got the article somewhere.
 
Perhaps you are thinking of Chuck Taylor. He bought a G17 in the mid eighties and as of late 2010, put 270,000 rounds through it.
 
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