FTE after 200 rds.: brand-new Sig M11 A1.

Well, I've started losing my patience with this new Sig M11 A1.

My grip is really tight--observed by instructors--the gun has been well-cleaned/lubed after every range session, all tested ammo is US-made brass.

Following the prev. session with 2 FTEs (extracts) in 50 rds., then gun was cleaned, went back today.

At 80-100 rds, another FTE. Something doesn't seem right.
Sent e-mail to the Sig Sauer rep. with whom I chatted, requesting a mailing label to ship it to the factory. If it were possible (it's not), and though considered too impulsive, I would trade it for a used factory 9mm P229 or P228.
 
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TunnelRat: Only new Federal (white box) and Rem. green/white, about 650 total rds. for the 4 FTEs.

No other brands have been used in this new gun. After it is shipped to Sig, if the professional techs there feel like it operates within their normal limitations (whether a bit subjective or not), then I'll be glad to keep it upon return.
 
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100% reliability does not exist in the handgun world.
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Sure it does. It's called my Glock 19 (technically a Gen2, I guess).

Except Glock doesn't call it "100% reliability." They call it, Perfection. :p

Too many variables.
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Only one. The OP's Sig isn't a Glock. ;)

If your pistol hasn't had a malfunction of any kind... You simply have not shot it enough.
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:rolleyes:

Nonsense. At least 8K rds thru said G19 - and various makes of 9-Millie too, from the hot NATO-grade stuff all the way down to the "-P" junker loads having the felt-recoil of a mouse fart. No issues.

That said, and on a serious note here, I'd agree that ONE malf (FTE) in 200-rds doesn't tell you much without firing another 200rds or so of different types of 9mm, so the OP can assess whether he's really got a "gun problem," due to the same repeated FTEs, or whether the malf was due to one round of that particular make of ammo.

In other words, is it really a gun problem or a one-time ammo problem?
 
Regularly would be the same malfunction that happens more than once every 1000rds or so.

You should manage several thousand rounds between malfunctions in a modern pistol of good make.


You have had the same problem 3 times now is around 500rds... That's definitely an issue.

Likely a ln extractor issue... Spring or the extractor itself.

A little lube shouldn't affect the extractor.

Could possibly be a timing issue, but those are usually associated with poor accuracy as well.
 
I think asking it to go back is completely reasonable. In the past we’ve had some folks find SIG CS not overly willing to pay for labels and the whatnot. Don’t be afraid to ask for a supervisor if you have to.


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I think asking it to go back is completely reasonable. In the past we’ve had some folks find SIG CS not overly willing to pay for labels and the whatnot. Don’t be afraid to ask for a supervisor if you have to.


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Yup if the rep won't do it ask for a supervisor. Customers should not have to pay for shipping back to Sig for warranty work.
 
Not cleaning semi auto's does not enhance reliability.
They are much more reliable clean and properly lubricated.
A dirty truck will run just fine....but guns don't work like that.
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TunnelRat/WVsig: The phone waiting time right now was < 10 min. The very efficient tech. rep. said that the shipping label will be mailed out today or tomorrow.

Even though some excellent advice (pm or on forum) was to get the tools to remove the pin and extractor, and this seems reasonable, I don't want to take the chance of voiding the warranty, just to be cautious.
 
"...The extractor was first cleaned tonight..." That the first bath you've given it? You clean it before you fired it?
If you're not reloading you need to try a box of as many brands as you can to find the ammo that pistol both shoots best and cycles the action reliably. The price of the ammo means nothing.
 
The pistol should cycle more reliably than has been seen. This is brass cased American ammo. I have pistols with over 10k rounds where I can count the FTEs on one hand and I can tell you exactly why they happened. This is with over a dozen types of ammo of various bullet weights and power factors. Brass, aluminum, and steel.

SIG advertises themselves as a cut above. The pistol came with a warranty and as the original owner you’re entitled to a working firearm. You did exactly what I wish more people would do. Hold manufacturers accountable.


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T. O'Heir: I had looked over the gun after the purchase, and it was oily, but had not cleaned any extractor until that first FTE.
And even after the next two cleanings of the extractor claw (I have no tools for slide disassembly, and it can affect the US warranty) it was no help.

I have plenty of faith in Sig products, owned a 232 (.380) for a while, and in January bought a used (.40) DA/SA P229 with No issues in all 450-500 rds.
Speaking today with the Sig Rep., I told him that I hoped that they would be able to fit it into their workload, and appreciate any tweaking they can do, use as much ammo as their budget/workload/judgement allows or requires.
 
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T. O'Heir: I had looked over the gun after the purchase, and it was oily, but had not cleaned any extractor until that first FTE.
And even after the next two cleanings of the extractor claw (I have no tools for slide disassembly, and it can affect the US warranty) it was no help.

I have plenty of faith in Sig products, owned a 232 (.380) for a while, and in January bought a used (.40) DA/SA P229 with No issues in all 450-500 rds.
Speaking today with the Sig Rep., I told him that I hoped that they would be able to fit it into their workload, and appreciate any tweaking they can do, use as much ammo as their budget/workload/judgement allows or requires.
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You did the right thing.
 
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