Ft. Collins Coloradoan names concealed permit holders

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robnoel

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Today's Fort Collins Coloradoan newspaper published the names of the 607
Larimer County concealed permit holders. Including, my 21 year old son. They
report the "need to know" of the public, as the compelling purpose for the
names being published. Well folks, then we need letters demanding every DUI
recipient be published. Drunks kill more people every day than all gunowners
or permit holders for that matter. We need some righteous indignation. Dave
Greiling the editor, should be investigated through CBI to determine he is
not an DUI offender.
Today's paper had an anti gun message in every section, other than sports.
The cry is to defeat the Chlouber bill on CCW privacy and to resurrect the
"gun show loophole bill" by initiative. Tom Mauser, Ken Gordon, Bill Owens
are all quoted in concert for more gun laws to "save our children." Fine
company for a Republican Governor huh? Get a letter off to the paper ,,,,
tell your friends,,, the line has been drawn in the sand and they have
stepped over it.
 
I am thoroughly disgusted. This is like equaling permit holders with convicted sex offenders..."wouldn't you want to know if you had one living next to you? You never know what they might be up to..."

Write them a letter and suggest they introduce legislation to make permit holders and gun owners identifiable to the general public, for the sake of public safety. A yellow star would do nicely.
 
Robnoel, please post contact info for these idiots who would dare put your son in danger for their own political ends.

Maybe conservative papers should publish the names of everyone who has had an abortion in each county?
(Note--just in case, please do NOT do such a thing at my suggestion. Just an analogy.)
 
Coloradoan Addresses
Fort Collins Coloradoan 1212 Riverside Ave.Fort Collins, CO 80524 
Coloradoan Management Team

Publisher,  Dorothy Bland
Email: dbland@coloradoan.com

Advertising Director,  Dan Walker
Email: advertising@coloradoan.com

Circulation Director,  T. Mark McFann
Email: circulation@coloradoan.com

Executive Editor,  Dave Greiling

Market Development Director,  Luann Labedz marketing@coloradoan.com

Online Manager,  Peg Miller
Email: pmiller@coloradoan.com

Personnel Director,  Sharon Kulesa

Production Director,  Andy Swanton

Technology Director,  Bob Romine

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970-224-7761

970-224-7705
 
robnoel, did they publish anything other than the names? If so, exactly what data, please.

Thanks. Regards from AZ


ps - with Citibank refusing to do business with gun stores, Yahoo refusing to take firearms ads, eBay kicking firearms off their site and now this ... feeling more and more like a yellow star pinned on our chests, no? Exaggeration? Not as much as it was only one year ago. People who believe in the RKBA are rapidly being treated more and more like Jews in 1930's Germany, and African-Americans in the 1950's. This needs to stop.

[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited February 20, 2000).]
 
lendringser, having a gun owner nextdoor may be a good thing. Having a sex offender willnot be (unless you swing that way <a joke> ).

Here in Nortern VA we get our names printed in the local papers regularly. I don't know which papers yet but a friend called me to let me know he saw my name printed when I first got my CCW in 95.
 
So, what's the best way to respond to this? I'd write another well-reasoned letter-to-the-editor, but if it's even published, it'll be 3 months from now - I know this from experience.

Is there anything that would have a more timely effect? Maybe exposing some of Greiling's privacy?
 
I totally agree, what they've done is chickensh*t. It IS a matter of public record however, anyone that wants to know need only take a trip down to the courthouse and request the info. Even tells who applied and got denied.
 
These lastest published names wree only the last ones scince 7/99. The paper did a "first 200" back then.

The "in the public interest" bit is a lie.

Mods. I have the same thread going in Political. Could you dump that & if any replies, stick 'em in here to maintain some continuity?
 
Thread was locked in Legal...here are the responses in that one.
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labgrade
Senior Member
posted February 20, 2000 02:04 PM

E-mail to me this AM ...

"Today's Fort Collins Coloradoan newspaper published the names of the
607
Larimer County concealed permit holders. Including, my 21 year old
son. They report the "need to know" of the public, as the compelling
purpose for the names being published. Well folks, then we need
letters demanding every DUI recipient be published. Drunks kill more
people every day than all gunowners or permit holders for that matter.
We need some righteous indignation. Dave
Greiling the editor, should be investigated through CBI to determine he
is not an DUI offender.

Today's paper had an anti gun message in every section, other than
sports. The cry is to defeat the Chlouber bill on CCW privacy and to
resurrect the "gun show loophole bill" by initiative. Tom Mauser, Ken
Gordon, Bill Owens are all quoted in concert for more gun laws to "save
our children." Fine
company for a Republican Governor huh? Get a letter off to the paper
,,,, tell your friends,,, the line has been drawn in the sand and they
have stepped over it.

See you all in Fort Morgan Monday night, 6:00PM Quality INN, to tell
Owens
how we feel."
labgrade
Senior Member
posted February 20, 2000 02:08 PM

Welp, Rob's got same deal going in General.

Mods - delete mine if you wish or ? whichever, for full coverage in one
topic.
Monkeyleg
Senior Member
posted February 20, 2000 06:21 PM

I wonder what would happen if the paper published the names of
people who _don't_ own guns?

Dick
RWK
Senior Member
posted February 20, 2000 09:13 PM

It would be interesting to see if the home burglary rate for the names
shamefully published increases or decreases in the next few months.
After all, the BGs now have a ready-made list of homes with a
valuable, very re-sellable commodity: handguns. On the other hand,
they know the owners of these handguns have a better-than-normal
ability to protect their homes. I'd bet the rate will not increase.
Bob Locke
Senior Member
posted February 20, 2000 09:39 PM

Heard over the 1MC:

"Now muster the TRT at the offices of the Ft. Collins Coloradoan!"
John
Marshall
Senior Member
posted February 20, 2000 11:36 PM

Monkeyleg:
The paper has, in effect, done just what you suggest. By publishing
the names of those citizens who own and carry handguns (and by
inference are willing to use them properly) the list you suggest has
been implicitly published.

BTW, here in Oregon it is stictly illegal to make the names of CHL
holders public.

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
I'm not trying to dampen the righteous indignation being expressed here, but remember:

Engaging in an exchange with some one who buys their ink by the barrel is usually not a good idea, i.e., it's damn difficult to win.

Joe
 
That is certainly something that is wrong with the concept of permits. You become public information. However, the fact that the paper would publish your name is, in my opinion, an irresponsible use of that information. Arguable that the purpose of such publication was malicious in its intent and unnecessarily evaluated the risk to CCW holders of an attack by some anti-gun wacko or at the very least discrimination by those who disagree with you.

I think that all 607 of you should get together and pool some funds (let’s say $100 each) and hire a “Junk yard dog” attorney to file as many civil actions as possible. I’m sure the paper has a deep enough pocket that someone will go after it.


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“We are the pilgrims masters; we shall go, always, a little farther. “
 
Not just the paper - but the city as well of not taking action on such a gross infringement of your rights.

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I mean, if I went around saying I was an Emperor because some
moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, people would put me away!
 
You know another thought …

The next victim of a violent attack may be able to argue that the paper destroyed the “collective community benefit” that exist when it is known that citizens are carrying concealed legally. Specifically the lack of information with regard to who is carrying increases the deterrent to criminals for all citizens. However, the effect of the irresponsible publishing of this information is an enabler to the criminal element as it identifies individuals who are more venerable then others. How would it fly if they published a list of all the homes in an area with alarms. Also, the county or State office that made(and is making) such information available is liable. In my opinion that is.


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“We are the pilgrims masters; we shall go, always, a little farther. “
 
I just hung up with the editor of the paper, she is sticking to the line that she feels it was responsible of her to publish the names,,,,,she claims that since the addresses werent published that its ok.....during the course of the conversation she did tell me that she would want to know if any of her neghibors were carrying...I asked her why and she said for her protection?....I then asked if she knew how many people approved for the ccw had been convicted of a crime and why was she equating people with ccw to crimminals?, she then asked if I had read the paper and I told her no I had not and that I was calling to register a complaint that her papers conduct was imo grossly irresponsible, that such actions would have a chilling effect on people acquiring a ccw, and could possibly target the named people for theft. To which she responded with the public record mantra,....now she told me that it is a constitutional right for people to keep and bear arms?---and I asked her she saw that as an individual right, she claims she does. Im not so sure she does, but she was polite and was answering my questions, I believe honestly. I feel she is more to the left then she realizes. Does the paper print dui's or childmolester addresses? She says they do. She did say that I could right a letter to the editor, I think she was tired of me att........fubsy.
 
I think the newspaper is guilty of a gross violation of privacy for no reason other than the pursuit of an agenda by a band of ignorant zealots. The obvious motive is to stigmatize and deter concealed handgun licensing. This is one occasion when a lawsuit sounds like a great idea.

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"The eye of television is drawn to violence as the normal eye is drawn to the light in a jewel."--Larry McMurtry.
 
robnoel,
Thats downright scary. I emailed a protest to all the addresses listed above. I hope you can get some satisfaction over all this.
 
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