From the Mouths of Democrats
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steelheart
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If all 80 million gun owners in this nation would vote only for pro-RKBA candidates, it wouldn't be an issue. I've pointed this out on more than one occasion, yet many fail - or refuse - to grasp this concept .
+1 Keep it coming Steelheart.
Fail or refuse... either way they're stupid.
That's good stuff too carbiner!
Glenn E. Meyer
I agree with you... BUT, it is a pipedream to think a neutral positon can be taken and shared by these polarized segments of society.
Steelheart is right, in that if all 80 million "owners" voted down the Anti-gunners just once!... It would be the political Bloody END of the anti-gunners for generations to come!
Works for me!
The problem is that not all gun owners are one issue voters. I have been a one issue voters for some time now.... mostly because I'm trying to unseat a horrible governor, and gain the right to carry concealed by getting my pro-gun reps and such in place.
But unless some clear and present danger to gun rights is on the table and in the forefront for gun owners to see (i.e., plastered on the news every night), most people do not know, or care enough to find out as they're busy with daily life.
Believe it or not, most gun owners do not come to internet boards and stay on top of the political/legal gun issues. Most target shoot a little, hunt a little, work and take care of their family while assuming everything is fine. I was one of these people just a few years ago.
steelheart
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Ah yes, the "There are 'other issues' to consider" school of thought.
Now stop and think for just one minute: Ever heard of divide and conqueor? That is exactly what is going on - and "There are 'other issues' to consider" is the platitude that makes it possible.
When gun owners say "There are 'other issues' to consider," what they are really saying is "There are more important issues to consider," plain and simple.
That folks, is where I disagree. What could possibly be more important than your right to defend yourself and your family? What could possibly be more important than the ability to say to The Government, the politicians and the bureaucrats, "You WILL know your place and stay in it, or We The People will put you in it - one way or another."
I say there is absolutely nothing more important!!!
If all 80 million gun owners would vote as one, we could literally run "The Government," instead of "The Government" running us. We would have the ability to say to Senators and Congressmen, "You have one term to accomplish this, this and this. If you do not, we will remove you from this office - just like we put you in it." Instead of sneering, "Who do you people think you are?" (like they do now) they would go into @$$holes and elbows mode to meet our demands.
THAT is what The Founders intended - Senators, Congressmen and a Government that answers to the people (what a concept!)
We The People were never meant to beg for our freedom; we were never meant to go before the holy throne of Senators and Congressmen and bleat like sheep.
Samuel Adams said it best:
Wake up, gun owners! Stop voting for the scumbags that want to take your guns!! We already know who they are - they have made their goals undeniably clear with the words from their own mouths!
Dr9983m4
As I recall, you can thank the NRA for that one. They wanted to change the law on signing for handgun ammunition and offered that in exchange. Their position was civillians have no reason to own automatic weapons. They were thumping their chests in a firearms dealers magazine about the great deal they made.
I also recall a letter to one of the gun magazines after Clintons assault weapon ban from a person claiming to be on the NRA executive board. He was glad they were banned because nobody needed an assault weapon anyway. And it wasn't just what he said, but how he said it.
My membership in the NRA ended with the first incident.
As I recall, you can thank the NRA for that one. They wanted to change the law on signing for handgun ammunition and offered that in exchange. Their position was civillians have no reason to own automatic weapons. They were thumping their chests in a firearms dealers magazine about the great deal they made.
I also recall a letter to one of the gun magazines after Clintons assault weapon ban from a person claiming to be on the NRA executive board. He was glad they were banned because nobody needed an assault weapon anyway. And it wasn't just what he said, but how he said it.
My membership in the NRA ended with the first incident.
MeekAndMild
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Going back to the "Out of the Mouths of Democrats" theme and just a little bit off topic, I heard a Democrat on the radio today advocating killing President Bush and praising Sen Schumer's resolve to do just that if he could get away with it. http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/15034.html
Back on topic I don't particularly like the Republicans, but I'll never vote for another Democrat. I think that people like Zell Miller are hypocrites calling themselves conservative while supplying another warm body to the congressional Democratic caucus. Thats kind of like Werner Von Braun saying he joined the Nazi party only to get along and didn't believe what they stood for.
Back on topic I don't particularly like the Republicans, but I'll never vote for another Democrat. I think that people like Zell Miller are hypocrites calling themselves conservative while supplying another warm body to the congressional Democratic caucus. Thats kind of like Werner Von Braun saying he joined the Nazi party only to get along and didn't believe what they stood for.
steelheart
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...Which is a federal crime. Why hasn't Hevesi been arrested yet??
MeekAndMild
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Oh, I have confidence that they must have already assured the secret service that he really didn't mean it that way. Remember when Bill had the famous "Monica" press conference and he pointed to the female reporter on the front row saying "I never had sex with that woman!"?
steelheart said:
There are some who have lives in which firearms is not the end all be all of their existence. There is also nothing wrong with feeling other issues have more importance than whether or not "high-capacity magazines" are available for consumers.
I know you can understand this concept, even if you may not like the same.
There are other important items in the Bill of Rights.
steelheart said:
OK - grab your SKS and 3 mags. You first. Owning a gun does not give you the faculty to "say" anything to the government. It provides you the proclivity to enjoy the chimera: “I am a force to be reckoned with!”
It may be fun to envisage holding the Senate hostage, but lets get real. You are not about to storm the capitol in your BDU's; pockets full of MRE's and ammunition, ready for a long standoff.
Being an American citizen provides all of the credentials you need to tell the government, and anyone else, just how you feel things should be run. What are you doing about it?
Are you organizing an alliance dedicated to your principals? Distributing your message to fellow citizens? Finding like-minded individuals? Gaining membership? Developing a platform? Sending your message to the government?
Ill-fated it is for those who hold precious certain principals with which this country was founded, but ultimately, The People are accountable for the state of the union -- not just the political swine. The People keep electing, and re-electing the politicians with which you take issue.
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So out of the 80 million gun owners, who is it exactly that is voting against their gun owning interests?
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html
As of now, (0330 03June2006), according to this site, the current population of America is 298,888,057 approximately.
So maybe the fault doesn't lie in that we are divided, as gun owners, between voting Republican or Democrat. Especially if not ALL dems are anti-gun, and not ALL reps are pro-gun. Maybe it's that not enough people are gun owners. So instead of whining about who is voting for who, something out of anyone's control and really noone's buisness but the voter's. Maybe we should make a simpler effort. Go out, find someone who doesn't own a gun, or doesn't know about recreational shooting, and take them shooting. Show them the ropes. Dissipate their irrational fears that every gun owner is a vile, evil criminal in the making.
Because if there are only 80 million of us, then it seems we are vastly outnumbered.
Now I'm not sure where I heard it. I think it was a news report one morning. But I remember hearing someone saying that gun ownership is actually at record highs with almost half of everyone in America owning a firearm. I don't know if that only includes adults of voting age, or law abiding citizens as opposed to everyone including criminals. But half would suggest alot more than 80 million.
So my question is just how close to the edge are we from really losing the legal right to go the range every weekend? From going on hunting trips without having to apply for the right to do so to the state government six months in advance.
If not all dems are anti, and not all reps are pro. Who are the right people to vote for? How often are state representatives ellected and when are the ellections? Are they the same dates for every state? Who is running for the next presidency, or have they officially announced candidates this early? My life is pretty busy so TFL is about the closest thing I have for current events. Who are some people in the spot light right now who are pro-gun rights. I want to take a more active role in this political stuff, but I don't think simply contributing to the NRA-ILA when I can afford it is enough.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html
As of now, (0330 03June2006), according to this site, the current population of America is 298,888,057 approximately.
So maybe the fault doesn't lie in that we are divided, as gun owners, between voting Republican or Democrat. Especially if not ALL dems are anti-gun, and not ALL reps are pro-gun. Maybe it's that not enough people are gun owners. So instead of whining about who is voting for who, something out of anyone's control and really noone's buisness but the voter's. Maybe we should make a simpler effort. Go out, find someone who doesn't own a gun, or doesn't know about recreational shooting, and take them shooting. Show them the ropes. Dissipate their irrational fears that every gun owner is a vile, evil criminal in the making.
Because if there are only 80 million of us, then it seems we are vastly outnumbered.
Now I'm not sure where I heard it. I think it was a news report one morning. But I remember hearing someone saying that gun ownership is actually at record highs with almost half of everyone in America owning a firearm. I don't know if that only includes adults of voting age, or law abiding citizens as opposed to everyone including criminals. But half would suggest alot more than 80 million.
So my question is just how close to the edge are we from really losing the legal right to go the range every weekend? From going on hunting trips without having to apply for the right to do so to the state government six months in advance.
If not all dems are anti, and not all reps are pro. Who are the right people to vote for? How often are state representatives ellected and when are the ellections? Are they the same dates for every state? Who is running for the next presidency, or have they officially announced candidates this early? My life is pretty busy so TFL is about the closest thing I have for current events. Who are some people in the spot light right now who are pro-gun rights. I want to take a more active role in this political stuff, but I don't think simply contributing to the NRA-ILA when I can afford it is enough.
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