From the Brown Bess to the M-16

tony pasley

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From the Brown Bess and the Long Rifle to the M-16 and A-4 these are the guns used to protect this nation. Salute to all the veterans who picked up those arms and were willing to lay down their lives if needed to defend us, Happy Veterans Day!
 
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The beat goes on

Interesting to note that the British were trying to ban the Brown Bess and were on the verge of confiscation, in the colonies. The Brown-Bess was the AR of it's day. Go figure !!!! ...... :confused:

Be Safe !!!
 
And the people that got behind a Ma’duece or crewed on a Paladin.
Don’t forget the support personnel either.
They are all appreciated. USA
 
There was a gun confiscation in Boston prior to Lexington. Didn't stop the revolution though.

Many of the guns stock piled in Lexington and Concord might have been the Model 1756 Brown Bess left over from the French and Indian War.

But by the end of the revolution most of the Continental Army was carrying the French Charlesville Musket.
 
The type of gun is not as important as the men and women who were willing to pick up those guns and stand up for this country.
 
What was/is the longest serving small arm? I remember some of the M-2s were really old.
Or does anyone have a breakdown through the eras?
I’m sure that I could locate the information myself... but hey, there’s some knowledge here.
 
I think the M-16 and its variants are the longest serving small arm and the M-2 the longest serving weapon of any kind.
That's just a guess.

On edit the longest serving weapons of any kind would be the cannon on the USS Constitution.
 
Tony Pasley said:
Actually the muzzle loading long rifle from 1775 through 1870s.
But what make and model? "Muzzle loading long rifle" encompasses a lot. If we use that argument, we could say it's the "semi-automatic handgun," because we adopted the M1911 in 1911 and we now use the M-9 Beretta, which is also a semi-automatic handgun. So that's 106 years and counting ...
 
^ Absolute example of fraud waste and abuse. Along with the division bands. Yes, we need to remember our history, but the money that they soak up is unreal. If your job can be parted with and it won't have an affect on the service your job is worthless. If your job can be done by an iPod your job is not only worthless, it is superfluous.
 
What was/is the longest serving small arm
I'm not sure if it's considered a small arm - - but - -I was very surprised to learn that the Gatling gun was in service for 49 years.
From 1862 thru 1911.
 
What was/is the longest serving small arm? I remember some of the M-2s were really old.
Or does anyone have a breakdown through the eras?
I’m sure that I could locate the information myself... but hey, there’s some knowledge here.

I believe, and correct me if I am wrong, that the LONGEST serving small arm in the US military was the Springfield Trapdoor Rifle and it's carbine variants. Right after the War Between The States ended in 1866 and especially after the Fetterman Massacre where it was brought up in a court of inquiry about how the troopers' rifled muskets were too slow loading against native warriors armed with Spencers and Henrys, the US Dept. Of Ordnance arranged for thousands of Springfield 1861 rifled muskets to go through the Allin conversion, enabling them to use the .50-70 cartridge. THAT served the forces until 1873, when the rifle was officially manufactured and chambered in the .45-70. And right into the Spanish-American War, US troops were still using the Trapdoor against the Spanish who were primarily using bolt action Mausers and Arisakas. I have heard that the clouds of smoke given off by the big BP cartridges literally lit up the US lines and the Spanish artillery took a heavy toll on these. And only because of BP's shortcomings that the US later had to adopt smokeless powder. And about pistols, I think the 1911 was the longest serving. From 1905 all the way until now, where it is still carried by special operations units.

But what make and model? "Muzzle loading long rifle" encompasses a lot

It started off with the Kentucky and Pennsylvania rifles, which really were hunting guns of extreme accuracy that could be found on the mantels of almost every frontier home and was the first thing that their owners grabbed when the call to arms came. It was sharpshooters like the ones led by Daniel "The Old Wagoner" Morgan that decimated the British at the battle of Saratoga. Muzzleloading smoothbores were primarily an infantry arm used by rank and file grunts doing the work of hammering blows and counterblows against the enemy in CONVENTIONAL battle. A great part of the Revolution, 1812, and the Indian conflicts were fought by irregulars, sharpshooters, private bands of warfighters and hunters who used home-built rifles and picked off the leaders of the enemy with long range aimed fire.

I'm not sure if it's considered a small arm - - but - -I was very surprised to learn that the Gatling gun was in service for 49 years.
From 1862 thru 1911.

Actually it is still used on a WIDE scale today:) The miniguns ranging from the rifle-caliber ones mounted on Humvees and choppers to the giant ship-smashing behemoths found on the destroyers. Actually, EVERY large navy in the world has a Gatling system of some kind for land, sea and air use.
 
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Hal said:
...I was very surprised to learn that the Gatling gun was in service for 49 years.
Rachen said:
Actually it is still used on a WIDE scale today The miniguns ranging from the rifle-caliber ones mounted on Humvees and choppers to the giant ship-smashing behemoths found on the destroyers.
I'd extend Aguila Blanca's reasoning to this assertion as well; there's a VERY broad gulf between a .45-70 hand-cranked black powder weapon and an electrically-driven M61 Vulcan cannon or M134 Minigun. Pretty much the only thing they have in common is that they have multiple rifled barrels arranged around a central rotating axis.

Incidentally, I don't know what "ship-smashing behemoths" you're talking about—the ones mounted on ships are usually part of the Phalanx CIWS (Close In Weapons System) for shooting down incoming low-flying anti-ship missiles. The system uses the same basic 20mm M61 Vulcan cannons that are commonly mounted on aircraft. Various NATO navies have reportedly been (semi-secretly) working on reprogramming the Phalanx system to counter potential torpedo-boat "swarm attacks" in littoral areas, but this is a bit different than full-blown anti-shipping use.
 
Ft McHenry event

I attended, (as a spectator) quite by default, an event at Ft McHenry in the early 80's that was a living history demo of U.S small arms through the years. From flintlock to M16, period re-enactors would run through a load, fire, reload and fire drill. (blanks of course) There was an intelligent and well done narrative running on the PA the whole time. It was done about dusk, so there was a good bit of flash too.

At the last, the entire cadre came out for a mad minute. One of the highlights of my career.

Free wine and cheese too.
 
Why leave out the beloved M-14? Our last real Rifle! The M-14, the G-3, and the magnificent FN-FAL are the finest 7.62NATO assault Rifles ever made! the FN-FAL like the AK will never go away! I wish that horrid little .223 toy Rifle would!!! Paul
 
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