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Freedom under attack
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Brian Pfleuger
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You can't just walk away from a TSA screening. Once it's begun, it will be finished. You can and probably will be arrested for trying to "disengage".
I'm not saying it's "right" but it is what it is.
Also, though the current federal incarnation of TSA is more intrusive than ever, it's not like airport screening and pat downs BEGAN on 911. There was already a private force at every commercial airport that did the same, albeit generally less intrusive, job.
What the airports need is a 90% reduction in TSA overall manpower with a 1000% increase in Behavior Detection Officers.
I'm not saying it's "right" but it is what it is.
Also, though the current federal incarnation of TSA is more intrusive than ever, it's not like airport screening and pat downs BEGAN on 911. There was already a private force at every commercial airport that did the same, albeit generally less intrusive, job.
What the airports need is a 90% reduction in TSA overall manpower with a 1000% increase in Behavior Detection Officers.
peetza nailed it on the head:
Israel has been on top of this for some time... not racial profiling, but behavior profiling, is the way to identify potential threats.
What the airports need is a 90% reduction in TSA overall manpower with a 1000% increase in Behavior Detection Officers.
Israel has been on top of this for some time... not racial profiling, but behavior profiling, is the way to identify potential threats.
Many more posts have been deleted for ignoring Glenn's post about staying on topic. There were permanent bans involved. There may be more ahead, if this warning isn't heeded.
The posts that are left are subject to any other moderators view. I wasn't all inclusive.
This thread is important for its (now) historical content. Keep Kathy's (pax) point(s) in mind, if you decide to post any further in this thread.
The posts that are left are subject to any other moderators view. I wasn't all inclusive.
This thread is important for its (now) historical content. Keep Kathy's (pax) point(s) in mind, if you decide to post any further in this thread.
So a 10-year-old thread with strong political undertones got bumped, it got into a heated political debate, and now people are banned - in large part because of a moderator's poor judgement in bumping a 10-year-old thread.
Riiiiiight. I'm outta here. At least I got a nice holster out of the deal.
Riiiiiight. I'm outta here. At least I got a nice holster out of the deal.
"They hate us for our freedoms"
In part sure. Islamists like any other fanatic creed hate anyone that isn't them.
I'd suggest that Stressfire is also correct when he says US foreign policy had a significant part in making us a target. Whether you agreed at the time about basing US troops in Saudi Arabia or not, one of the consequences was making the US more of a target for terrorists. Whether you agree with support for Israel or not, one of the consequences of that policy is to make the US unpopular in Muslim/Arab nations.
We have lost freedoms since 9/11/01. Or rather we have given them away.
imho not one of the freedoms we've given away was necessary for our protection from terrorists. Most of what passes for security that you and I have to deal with is more properly "security theater".
The expanded powers we have given to our government to arrest and detain without warrant, to eavesdrop and search our homes without going to a judge with cause, and finally the claim that on his word alone that the president can authorize the death of an American citizen, are to my mind graver threats than a new terrorist attack.
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Not at all. Look around. As the late Ann Landers used to write, "Wake up and smell the coffee."icedog88 said:Sarcasm I hopeThey've already WON.
I feel exactly the same way. Is it losing? Yes, I agree that it is, which is why I say the terrorists have won. But I don't decline to fly out of fear, and I don't think the author of the quote above does, either. I think we both value our personal freedom and integrity too highly to voluntarily subject ourselves to sexual assault at the hands of a gang of goons wearing whatever color uniform the TSA is handing out this week. Plus, the interminable lines resulting from all the security theater are too annoying to be tolerated. Flying, which I used to enjoy, is now a process of inestimable torture.icedog88 said:To me, this is the attitude that would denote losing. Think about it. the idea was to strike fear, to stop doing the things we as Americans enjoyed.I refuse to fly because I refuse to be subjected to a pat-down.
Abolish the TSA and allow CCW holders to carry their weapons when flying and I'll go back to the friendly skies.
People got banned and deleted because of their poor judgment and inability to follow the rules.
The moderators are tasked with enforcing the rules which are stickied all over this forum.
Anybody that says the moderators are at fault here owes them an apology.
I have been here a few years and these mods are pretty fair they have reversed themselves if a good argument was presented.
The moderators are tasked with enforcing the rules which are stickied all over this forum.
Anybody that says the moderators are at fault here owes them an apology.
I have been here a few years and these mods are pretty fair they have reversed themselves if a good argument was presented.
People got banned and deleted because of their poor judgment and inability to follow the rules.
+1
Not sure who said it but someone said something to the effect that any nation that gives up freedom for security will neither be free or secure. (? Ben Franklin?)
The Patriot Acts are much more dangerous than any Islamic terrorist in my opinion.
Ah, here it is:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
http://www.kevincraig.us/tempsec.htm
The Patriot Acts are much more dangerous than any Islamic terrorist in my opinion.
Ah, here it is:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
http://www.kevincraig.us/tempsec.htm
A couple of notes:
I'm currently reviewing all the "deleted" posts. This because I was on my lunch break and was in a hurry. If I was wrong, the posts will be undeleted.
Anyone banned was banned because they were already warned (at some prior point) and didn't take the warning seriously.
At the time of the 9/11 attacks, there were posts about it and various aspects of the attack, scattered all over the board, but mostly in GD and the old L&P. It was a nut house back then. Fact is, it was like that on just about every gun board I can think of.
As for bumping this old dead thread, it was an opinion by a respected member (pax was not a moderator on TFL, at that time IIRC), whose opinion of what was to come (not necessarily the reasons for the attack) has been mostly born out. We are less free than we were. The degree of which is what is debatable.
Since this is apparently a very contentious subject, I'm closing the thread to save everyone any further embarrassment.
I'm currently reviewing all the "deleted" posts. This because I was on my lunch break and was in a hurry. If I was wrong, the posts will be undeleted.
Anyone banned was banned because they were already warned (at some prior point) and didn't take the warning seriously.
At the time of the 9/11 attacks, there were posts about it and various aspects of the attack, scattered all over the board, but mostly in GD and the old L&P. It was a nut house back then. Fact is, it was like that on just about every gun board I can think of.
As for bumping this old dead thread, it was an opinion by a respected member (pax was not a moderator on TFL, at that time IIRC), whose opinion of what was to come (not necessarily the reasons for the attack) has been mostly born out. We are less free than we were. The degree of which is what is debatable.
Since this is apparently a very contentious subject, I'm closing the thread to save everyone any further embarrassment.
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