FoxNews Video - Ammo Shortage

Ruthless, my little 250 man Company in Korea in the 80's burned up at least 10,000 a year alone of 5.56mm and probably another 4,000 in 7.62mm in the M60s.

First we had to zero, that was something like 9 rounds + for all 250 of us, ten rounds makes it an easy 2,500 just to zero the rifles. Then we loaded up the mags, basicly a perfect score was 40 hits out of 40 shots so in a perfect world that's 40 times 250 soldiers = 10,000 rounds plus the initial 2,500 for zeroing so that's actuall 12,500 rounds if there were no overages, do overs, miss-fires, whatever. But that's the basic numbers, he is the real important part.

You had to draw more ammo then you would need, and it comes in cases of 840 cartridges per Ammo Can. Let's do some math, 840 x Ammo Cans is 12,600 but like I said, that might be a little light, can't go out light and run out, so you draw 16 and you got 13,440 rounds of 5.56mm Ball ammo.

Now you shoot, it doesn't matter how much you use qualifying, you will shoot every single round, burn it all up, because trying to count and turn in excess ammo is never worth the hassle, so everyone just shoots it up.

So there you go, 250 soldiers go to the range to qualify annually and burn up close to 15,000 rounds a year.

Now let's divide the 15,000 into the 10,000 rounds for DHS you said ?

Or were you meaning 10,000 rounds per agent?

Actually, even then I can see it. Real shooters like our SF guys, they shoot all the time, they get so much ammo and shoot more then you would think. Special action guys really do add a lot to the ammo budget. i bet some of the BP guys do this too.


I think I'll just stop there and let you think more on it.
 
Last edited:
If you do the math there is no way the DHS can reason away the sheer number of ammunition. Now the DHS does not HAVE 2 billion rounds. However they do have ammo in the hundreds of millions stockpiled. We know this from insider information describing the order sizes. They are generally requesting the ammo in tens of millions of rounds purchases. When this happens it puts a massive strain on the companies required to fill the priority orders.

It is typical Obama tactics. Keep the state in a constant panic. Continue to create crisis after crisis to keep his opponents off balance.

Not all their agents are training with this much ammo. To infer they are is beyond ridiculous. Only a few of the more elite units will be training with large amounts of ammo. Regular agents won't be training with more than several hundred rounds if that much.

This is about depriving the market of ammo until something can be done with not only gun control bills moving through the Senate, but the UN SMALL ARMS TREATY. Which is shortly going to be voted on and Obama has given the nod for the ambassador to vote a yes on it.

Pretty much a media blackout on that, Even Alex Jones has been quiet about it over the last several days.
 
The President can't sign on to a Treaty that would impact our Constitutional rights and then just wash his hands and say ... "It's the UN, they decided it and now we have to play along". He would not only be done, he would be gone forever locked in a prison cell. That would be a violation of the trust of his office so profound that it would not be tolerated. He can't get an AWB through Congress why would anyone think he could get away with this kind of back door stuff.

I can understand if you might actually know of these "inside sources", so I won't ask about them. But I will say that if you aren't actually sure of these sources and their info and if you are just passing on conspiracy stuff. Then this is just too weak to waste time on.


And Zinc;

each? Else thats like what a mag a trooper a year.
Click to expand...

If you followed that math of mine above that's about what we got. Three 3 round mags to zero and 40 rounds to qualify a year per soldier all through the 80s and 90s. Fifty rounds per man per year for the US Army. But it still adds up to huge numbers when you look at how many have to qualify every year not counting the rest that the real shooters get to use.
 
BTW, just a fast check of what DHS organizations most likely have a well armed contingent.

Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Transportation Security Administration (TSA)
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP)
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
United States Coast Guard
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)
United States Secret Service (USSS)


So these are the biggies. These agencies must have quite a few armed employees.

And then you have some weird ones that are much harder to look into like this one.
http://www.specialresponse.com/additional-services-offered.php

Now this looks like a Private Security Contracting firm that specializes in supplementing the TSA for in-flight security, like the officers they were putting on commercial flights. Now if these guys are actually contracted then the Fed will likely be footing the bill for ammo, etc because they do the same for all our other contracts. Mostly the companies just provide the bodies.
 
This issue has gone back and forth on numerous forums, and in the media.

The same question remains; what do they need all the weapons and ammo for?

Pro gun forums state their fears, and the gubbmint tries to sooth those fears. It's all conjecture.

There are few facts available; but here is one. President Obama publicly stated that he wants to build a civilian force that is at least as strong as the Army. It's public record.

Another fact: the Army is now weaker than when he made that statement, and Sequestration is making it weaker by the day.

Without adding any conjecture at all, those two facts are scarier than anything I've seen in this country in my 65 years. The DHS having automatic weapons and armored vehicles (another fact) should scare the hell out of every good citizen in this country.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
This issue has gone back and forth on numerous forums, and in the media.

The same question remains; what do they need all the weapons and ammo for?

Pro gun forums state their fears, and the gubbmint tries to sooth those fears. It's all conjecture.

There are few facts available; but here is one. President Obama publicly stated that he wants to build a civilian force that is at least as strong as the Army. It's public record.

Another fact: the Army is now weaker than when he made that statement, and Sequestration is making it weaker by the day.

Without adding any conjecture at all, those two facts are scarier than anything I've seen in this country in my 65 years. The DHS having automatic weapons and armored vehicles (another fact) should scare the hell out of every good citizen in this country.
Click to expand...

the most sound cool headed statement on the matter. God hope the troops come home soon
 
I found the graphic at the video site entertaining. All of the rounds have a bullet seated but the primers are dimpled.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top