FOX News interviews a complete scumbag

Lord Nikon said:
Matis, when's the last time you saw a classroom... I mean padded room?
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Lord Nikon, I put in enough classroom time to earn degrees in English and Clinical Psychology and to get licensed and build a private practice.

I attended from 1964 to 1974. Took me that long because I worked my way through. And although then already well underway, grade inflation, was nothing like the disaster it's become today. An A today is worth somewhere around a C then. (By the way, I got straight A's for the first four years, in case that helps any.)

I sat in class with those who became todays left-wing, idiot professors. Profs, today, are over 90% democrat and a huge percentage of those are outright socialists. The teach hatred for America and what she stands for and they idolize every discredited and destructive ideology -- the more ricidulous, the better. And they try to undermine the students' value systems and to alienate them from their parents' world-view.

I have enjoyed many debates with some of their ilk and although full of hot and noisy passion, most don't go very deep. Self-hatred and hatred of one's culture simply don't provide much of a rock to stand on.


On the other hand, not every prof is like that. And even if they were, you can get still value from attending college if you are well prepared and innoculated against the sickness that festers there.


My 17 year old daughter is thinking about attending Yale law school. My ex-wife and I home-schooled her for six years until high school. She now attends a private (and very religious!) high school.

I have prepared her and share with her many examples of the destructive lunacy prevailing in "academia". She's bright (and tough-minded like her father {grin}) -- they won't get to her! Perhaps someday she'll return and sue the b@astards into bankruptcy for the rigid intolerance they practise under the guise of "diversity" (I can dream, can't I? You never know).



jefnvk quoted me:
It's easy to tell that he went (goes?) to college: he demonstrates in the interview that he cannot think logically

And then he said:
Wow. Glad to know that I can't think logically.
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jefnvk, didn't they teach you to recognize sarcasm in your college?

On the other hand, if the shoe fits, wear it.



It's highly probable that this Crook idiot picked up his pathetic ideas in college. But if he didn't attend, my characterization of the asylum is still valid and I can easily defend that view.

Crook demonstrated in the interview that he cannot think very well (or very quickly). And he denigrated those who volunteer and some of whom die defending a system that allows scum like him to spit on it.

Doesn't that sound like those profs who portray us as the aggressors and the Islamofascists as our victims?


Chill out, chillin.


matis
 
PLEASE don't give Michael Crook any more attention!

I've done a little online investigating, and this guy is all over the place. I know we sometimes say of dispicable people "He's just trying to get attention." This dude really is!

His site: http://michaelcrooktalks.com/node/384 has blogs, rants, etc.
He has put up an ebay auction for his export from the US. He was the guy who refused to give the soldier's camera back that was found in a sporting event and had photos of the soldiers buddies in Afghanistan, but said he'd give it back for $1000.

Are you seeing a pattern? The man is plastering himself across the media like a virus, and folks like the producers at Fox are eating it up. Your rage is their profit.

Let Mike Crook wither away an unknown.
 
No professor's try to "indoctrinize" me to be a leftest, or a commie, or whatever you think that they do.

Oh no, see, what we do there is we take these things called "classes". We take those to increase our "intelligence". We take these so called "classes" in areas we are interested in! In doing so, we often learn new things about subjects that interest us. Myself, criminal justice, history, and creative writing. It's great. I hear a lot of sentiment like yours in the redneck hick town I live in, how "college makes you liberal!" Or that it "brainwashes you".

Congratulations. You're a lucky one. Or, maybe not. Since you take history, you'll be happy to know that one of my history professors took the position that North Vietnam had no role in the Vietnam War until 1967. He also advanced the position that the United States was responsible for Pearl Harbor, due to its oppressive and unreasonable policies towards Japan. Think that he might have some influence over a few? Think that you might not pass his class unless you regurgitated his crap back to him?

Many at college are preconditioned to oppose the status quo for no other reason than it's the "chic" thing to do. They buy into fringe ideologies and beliefs and promote them. Guess how many of them end up in the academic field.

By the way, "redneck hick" isn't very rational or intelligent, is it? I'd say you're already more indoctrinated than you believe.

Oh, you don't take classes to increase intelligence; you take classes to increase knowledge. If you are confusing the two, you need help.
 
defjon said:
Wow, how intelligent of you! Yes, it's so clear he goes to college...look how stupid and left wing he is!

Now that statement was just about as ignorant as Crook's website and personal views. Being myself in college, let me go ahead and tell you a little secret since it is quite apparent you've never been yourself-
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Sorry, defjon, I almost overlooked you.

Please see my post #22 above.



And the primary purpose of journalism and media is to make a profit.

They used to pretend in journalism school that they were to present the facts in an unbiased fashion. Today they openly teach that their purpose is to change society so as to bring about "improvement". As high a percentage of media people and journalists are leftists as are professors. They are, after all, the product of these professors, are they not.


There is no "unbiased" observer. If you have a philosophy you are biased. And if you don't, how smart are you? Actually, everybody has a philosohphy but not everybody has thought theirs through. But that one can be unbiased is a pretense.

Best one can do is to divulge one's bias and then go from there.

And if the enterprise fails to make a profit then let it sink. Anything else, like government media is far worse, isn't it?

Hannity and the other (liberal) guy are striving first to build and keep viewers. Why shouldn't they bring on and then shoot down this jerk, Crook? They didn't force him on, did they? And he deserved what he got.

One cannot discuss reality intelligently unless one comes from truth. The truth is that we are all biased. I know my biases. Do you, defjon?

Good luck in college, defjon.

matis
 
How did this develop into a debate over the merits of college? Some of the wisest people I've met never went to college, and some of the dimmest I've met hold PhDs.

College does not give you knowledge or intelligence. Knowledge is free for the taking in our modern age. College sells you knowlege and sells you the degree on a piece of paper that shows you met their minimum standards for graduation. Intelligence is the willingness to partake in the smorgasbord of knowledge available. Wisdom is a different thing altogether.
 
XavierBreath,

We're on the same paragraph on the same page!


But as I used to enjoy telling some of my professors (after arguing some point or other), "I can't do what I want to for a living without one of those pieces of paper you dispense. So I'm gonna get me one."

Trouble is, College is seen today as something everyone should do. And most lines of work do require "credentials". Of course when almost everyone "should" attend college, the intellectual level sinks to what high-school used to be. 8th grade, actually, if you go back far enough. You can't beat the bell-curve, can you?


Ergo, fodder for the brain-washing machine. Of course, this process really begins in "pre-school", doesn't it?


Knowledge doesn't come in subjects, arranged in semesters -- units bumping along the conveyor belt all pre-digested, packaged, sanitized and safely resolved by the experts, now does it? When I found something that excited me, I'd come from the library loaded down with books, biographies, articles.

"Matis!", the professor would exclaim, "You're still on Blake? Why the rest of us have finished Wordsworth and we're half-way through Keats, by now (I no longer remember the actual order)."

Einstein himself wrote that when he graduated university he was so traumatized that he could do nothing scientific or mathematical for a year afterward.


But you're quite right. This thread is supposed to be about an idiot too stupid to appreciate the riches bequeathed to him by soldiers he chooses to denigrate.


matis


(And, anyway,how long did Bill Gates or Steve Jobs attend college?)
 
jefnvk, didn't they teach you to recognize sarcasm in your college?

In real life, sarcasm is great. My friend is the master of sarcasm, so I have gotten quite good at recognizing it. In person, where I can read you. Typed words make it so much more difficult to read. Hence, the <sacrasm> or /sarcasm tags that so many use, make it much easier to understand.

And I will ask that you not lump all colleges together. What is learned in some big liberal arts college in California is definitely not what is being taught in a smaller engineering college in the middle of nowhere in Michigan. You'd probably be suprised to be informed at my college, Bush posters/bumper stickers outnumbered Kerry probably 5-1 last November. Where a professor will dare ask how engineers skipping corners in the WTC affected its collapse, and students willl reply that if terorists wouldn't fly planes into the building, it wouldn't have collapsed. Heck, where I get to keep guns in the dorms.
 
jefnvk said:
And I will ask that you not lump all colleges together. What is learned in some big liberal arts college in California is definitely not what is being taught in a smaller engineering college in the middle of nowhere in Michigan.
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Granted.

"...nowhere in Michigan" and "engineering college" sound hopefull and CAN BE different. All hope may not be lost.

Actually, the left has gone so far they have provoked a ground-swell of reaction. There are now organizations of lawyers that will protect professors and students hauled into kangaroo court on campus over some infraction of PC sensibility. When they hear from conservative lawyers, they usually fold because they know that what they are doing wouldn't pass muster even in today's liberal courts.

Hopefully the pendulum will swing back the other way (like maybe tonight in Bush's SCOTUS nomination?).


I'm glad you don't have to suffer what so many in academia today, do.



(And I once thought maybe I would teach English literature! Sheesh -- I wouldn't have made it past the 2nd year before getting kicked out on my keester.)



matis
 
I hear a lot of sentiment like yours in the redneck hick town I live in

Wow, and this from a supposedly intelligent, informed, educated, person.

And, I never attended a class to gain intelligence, as you say, but to gain the 'knowledge' of a particular subject. Intelligence is something you either have or you don't. Knowledge is learned, Wisdom is gained through experience. If you can't tell the difference, maybe you need some more of those 'class' things.....or maybe just some class period?

Maybe you should let some 'o them redneck hicks teach you a few things, like some common sense. But I doubt you'd learn anything, as you are obviously the highly esteemed master of sarcasm, and above the ramblings of us ignernt, unedumacated, hicks...... :rolleyes:
 
Well, a lot of those replies were pretty funny, debating on word usage is fun isn't it?

No, college doesn't deem intelligence. My great granpda didn't go to college but is the smartest person I know *shrugs*.

perhaps the point of my post was missed. My point is that it is ignorant to arbitrarily state that all college is useless or that it brainwashed people. That is the sentiment I was rallying against. You can enter into college with your won belief structure firmly intact and weather the storm as any professors try to "indonctrinate" you.

In my summer biology lab we're forced into regurgitating evolutionary theories- do I personally buy into a lot of it? No, but that's my choice. I just pick up my points on the tests and walk out with my credits.

College is just a choice, it isn't bad or good or right or wrong. That is my point. I don't want to be looked down upon for going. Being angry that someone was generalizing people that go, I reacted.

About the redneck hicks in my town? You don't know my town. I do, so you have no right to say a damn word. Everyone here will agree they are redneck hicks! A couple are my friends...drinking buddies at least. But I'll tell you that many of them do NOT have a lick of common sense.

As far as you being a hick, I don't know you well enough to judge. I'll hold my opinion 'til I do.
 
Also, XB is right...ultimately we are going to college to get a piece of paper so we can make decent money doing something we enjoy. That is the truth. So far, though I still have another semester of junior college...I haven't really had to apply myself yet as in studying. I guess you don't "learn" a lot in college, lol. Although I AM looking forward to a university where the classes become more specific to your major, I anticipate some learning there :)

But yes, back onto subject...

My problem is that the first interviewer, forgot his name, really pisses me off. The kid is an idiot, no one is arguing that point. But no one can ever convince me of one point that kid failed to make that might've helped him out- the occupation of Iraq by US troops defends our first ammendment how? Our first ammendment IS a right, one that hasn't been threatened in what, 200 years? There is a website called Iraqi Procurement or something to that affect. Just LOOk at all the money being made there. Not to mention that some 26 BILLION dollars in Iraqi oil money has just up and disappeared (London Review). It is just ignorant not to see that dollars aren't motivating this at least somewhat and that the US invasion of Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with American's rights in America.They are not keeping America free so much as ensuring American interests.

I know my opinion won't be a popular one on the boards, but it's mine just the same.

It just seems to me ther are enough problems here at home that we need to work on.

Such as, do you know you are statistically more likely to be shot in Washington, DC our nation's capital than in Iraq?? We could use the NG to clean up our streets if anything. Course, that ain't a popular view point either.

Anyway...yeah. That kid is a scumbag. I refuse to view his website. Don't want it on my computer. Not to mention I don't want to give his counter another hit. Hopefully he'll get his whiney ass fragged. :D
 
First off, I wasn't knocking college in the least. Just a little sarcasm of my own, and letting you know that labeling people 'redneck hicks' is like labeling you a leftist, liberal, brainwashed pawn of the man for going to college. You claim to be unaffected by the crap they spew at colleges, and lets hope you are. Lets hope you get your 'paper' and get out without being brainwashed. Truth being told though, most people DON'T. Most kids buy into this COMPLETE CRAP that most profs. spew out, and come out into the world with a bad view of the very soil they stand on. Its a matter of FACT, that can't be ignored. Not to mention alot of college grads tend to look down their noses at the ignorant, unwashed masses who didn't go to college, and call them things like redneck hicks, implying they are not as intelligent or capable of thought since they didn't go through college and earn a degree. Let me give you a little piece of real world advice from an old guy thats been around a bit. I have, in working for various companies over my lifetime, been in charge of, and in charge of hiring/firing ALOT of people. And in my experience, 90% of the kids fresh out of college are the most useless, unproductive people on the planet, and need to be completely retrained to do the simpest of tasks that most of us ignernt hicks pick up pretty quick. In my line of work I wouldn't be second guessed, and heard alot of stuff from college grads who were supposedly SPECIALISTS in the field, telling ME how to do MY job!? Well, this is what they taught us in school, or this is what the book says.......and alot of them had unwillingness to learn the RIGHT WAY. Alot of times a textbook has been written by a guy with NO HANDS ON EXPERIENCE and absolutely NO CLUE what the hell they are spouting off about, except in theory, and following your little college lessons will get you very dead. Alot have learned that to their chagrin. Lets hope your not one of them.....
 
Stop Fighting And Read

On Monday evening, the webmaster of Forsake The Troops was brutally assaulted by two men, thought to be members of the military, in response to their opinions about this website. Mr. Crook had been the target of numerous death threats and trespassers at his residence. All of these threats were saved and have been turned over to the authorities.
UPDATE:

At 6:19pm Eastern time, Michael Crook died of his injuries, after being rushed by ambulance to the leading hospital in the area for head trauma. The two men who allegedly assaulted him are currently in the custody of police. Mr. Crook died with his wife and infant daughter present.

It is therefore the decision of his family, and associates that Forsake The Troops goes offline, to prevent further incidents of violence and threats against his family. Therefore, this domain will permanantly go offline at around 5pm Eastern time, on Tuesday, May 17th, 2005.
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Hmm can anyone substantiate this. I don't know if this actually true but I went looking around for info on the guy and found this.

EDIT I went and snooped around a bit more and found nothing to substantiate this. On the other hand, his site, www.forsakethetroops.info, was purchased and pulled off the internet courtesy of the USAF Forums. Oh how I love this country. It now contains a link to that clip off of hannity and colmes. Very humerous. Now all that hateful ass has is his weblog.
 
Sounds like a hoax. On his other site he has a post dated from Tuesday evening (yesterday, 7/19), so he obviously did not die on Monday night. However, he is still a dumbass. :D

Edit: Handy got it. I didn't even notice the date was two months ago.
 
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Does he have a right to say what he does without people laying hands on him? Absolutely

Sure he has a right to say that junk. The Constitution guarantees him that right. It doesn't however guarantee that street justice isn't going to take over and get him a royal ass-kicking.

Really though, I feel sorry for this kid. He's been led waaaay astray. He doesn't even know what he's against. Sounds like the '60's hippies....."what are we against THIS week?"

I don't agree with everything Alan Colmes says, but I do like the guy. He won't let someone off easily. They both verbally kicked this kid all over the place - deservedly so. It wasn't even entertaining.
 
EDIT I went and snooped around a bit more and found nothing to substantiate this. On the other hand, his site, www.forsakethetroops.info, was purchased and pulled off the internet courtesy of the USAF Forums. Oh how I love this country. It now contains a link to that clip off of hannity and colmes. Very humerous. Now all that hateful ass has is his weblog.
Gotta hand it to the Air Farce this time. :)
Any more info on the veracity of this guy's fate? Looks like his ebay auctions are still up, and his last blog post was Tue, 07/19/2005 - 7:44pm. Personally I don't think this person has the integrity to honor any auction that he will move out of the US or even just shut up. He's a media junkie who has found an audience who will pay to express their hatred, much like the bad guys in pro wrestling have done. His worst fear is obscurity.
 
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