Fox News has them Steaming!

pipoman,
One of the reasons I stopped in to TFL is there seemed to be some maturity here that was sorely lacking at some other sites. Regardless of our real or preceived differences one thing is certain we love and respect the shooting sports. Yeah, I'm sure we'd get along real well on the range or better yet at my favorite varmint spot. I understand your initial suspicsions.
I happen to believe that as shooting ethusiasts we are all ambassadors of the sport first and formost. We all have an obligation to cultivate interest in the young and educated the gun ignorant. It may raise our collective blood pressure at times but we have little alternative. There's nothing better than introducing a newbie to shooting and knowing they'll become hooked.
We can whip the anti's by educating them ....by destorying the stereotype that currently exists about shooters. The love of shooting transcends economics, geography, ethnicity, religion, politics, and gender.
It's the ignorant vs the enlightened.
Shooting isn't about a knock down in a 7-11. It's about special times with your children and friends and special memories for a lifetime.
Help! Please someone pull me down from this darn soapbox!

Again, thanks for the welcome and thanks for your time!
 
Yep, Welcome Rimrock

I jump in and out sometimes... and I see myself as one of those wild pinko liberals...that just happens to carry a gun.

A conservative's worse nightmare! "A Gun totin' Liberal"

I always get a chuckle from those that call it the liberal media and liberals in general. I personally know better... still again I trust what they (liberal politicians) tell me just about as much as the conservative side.
 
originally by mow; oh but he failed to mention that she was next to Cheney when he shot----HER HUSBAND WAS JUST A LITTLE FARTHER AWAY! Liberal
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IF my math is correct then there were 7 instead of 5 on the hunt. Why was it reported that there were 5?:confused:
come on, the good ole cowboys were doing a little hanky panky along with their "bird hunting", don't fault um for that BUT!;)
I have about came to the conclusion that most of the story was fabricated to cover up the VPs' carelessness. I venture to guess that there was a considerable more than "one beer" involved and he was carrying the gun in a careless manner(pointed at his hunting buddy) or he dropped it and it accidentally discharged; the rest is history. :D
 
Rimrock, Welcome aboard glad to have a more reasonable voice to join in.
Some times I need help with ole pipeoman and that crowd-they are on the "gwb regardless, radical right", otherwise hes ok.
 
Rimrock said:
One of the reasons I stopped in to TFL is there seemed to be some maturity here that was sorely lacking at some other sites.
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Welcome to TFL, Rimrock. I can't think of a more powerful praise than what you just gave us.
Rimrock said:
Please someone pull me down from this darn soapbox!
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Why? You seem to have the message that people, on both sides of the political spectrum, need to hear! I can't fault a thing you posted in #21.

Let me ask, you're "old school" liberal, yes?
 
"Anyone else notice the elite media seems to lose it's cool more often lately?"

Yes, I have. It seems to happen motr and more often.

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Thanks again all for the warm welcome and kind words!

M3 Pilot, I hope we disagree on at least a few things. There's nothing more boring than being surrounded by "high fivers" looking to reinforce their own ideology. I welcome well thought out views which are contrary to mine. It's how we learn.The key is to engage in meaningful dialogue without being obnoxious or disrespectful to the other side. I've always listened harder to a soft voice then a screamer. I look forward to many interesting encounters
The thing which separates us for monkeys is are ability to laugh and provoke laughter. It's one of life's joys! We assembly here out of our love and respect for the shooting sports. Everything else here should be secondary.

Antipitas,
Good job of profiling but with one caveat. More accurately I'm seen as a conservative Dem. Sometime during the Carter Administration the word "liberal" became effectively demonized by those right of center. Even real live liberals were repulsed by it.
If you want to invoke negativity to any subject to any crowd just lightly sprinkle it with a form of the "L" word. Even motherhood and beer become tainted if cleverly framed as "liberal"

What am I?
I'm disgusted by irresponsible deficit spending. Engaging in war while asking no one except the military to sacrifice. War with tax cuts is a death sentence to posterity.
Manipulating our fears with color coded displays while 95% of the nations cargo is uninspected and the borders are as air tight as a screen door is wrong.
Nation building is unAmerican especially when you tell it and sell it falsely.
Abortion disgusts me to the point of preventing one.
My wife and I chose to raised someone else's child to stop anabortion without fanfare but I sure don't want some old white guy legislating, or worse, ruling what's appropriate and what is not for a woman's body.
I think the President of the greatest country in the history of the World should be able to speak the language. Words like "engrenable" and "traxaxtion" are foreign at least to me. He's frankly an embarrassment. Remember the kid in gym who was always snapping the towel when you were trying to get dressed for your next class?...well he grew up to be President!:eek:
I think the federal response to Katrina was a national disgrace!
I believe in the separation of church and state because theocracies are dangerous...just look around at the World's various neighborhoods.
I believe "support the troops" ribbons shouldn't be a Republican code for let's kick butt. It should be "let's take care of these American treasures with the best medical and mental benefits on earth". Let's make special loans available to them at zero interest rates expressly for becoming business owners. Let's encourage those owners to employ other vets by offering further tax incentives. They, more than most have earned a piece of this rock! Let's try treating them with the respect they deserve. Talk on ribbons is cheap....it's time to put up or shut up!
I believe that Red V Blue, us & them, good guy- bad guy, lib vs neocon will be our undoing. While we engaging in mutual pie throwing the hungry and resourceful in other lands are honing their skills.
My intention here is to demonstrate that we are all products of our environment for better or worse. I doubt none of us are "pure form" anything.
That's what makes us as Americans so unique. I wouldn't change it for anything.
One other thing....today I had a visit from the two granddaughters whose mother was referenced above. They gave me a hand made belated B-day card. These young ladies are full of the "arts" .....ballet, stage programs, singing and the like. The card was a hand drawn picture of an AK- 47. Since I don't own one they thought they would at least provide one on paper. One of the nicest cards I ever received. It's now displayed on the refer!

Diversity is Americana at it's finest!

Rimrock
 
Welcome Rimrock!

Your posts are very interesting to read.

What's your take on FNC and some other alternative news sources making waves for the media establishment, NYT,CNN?

Which I must add, seem a little less established now day's.
 
Rimrock said:
Antipitas,
Good job of profiling but with one caveat.
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Caveat noted. Still, it's good to see that there are indeed real liberals, alive and well.

Back in the bad old days of usenet, an ultra conservative acquaintance, never used the term "liberal" to denote the multiculteralists, socialists and others of the far left. His term was "libral." He knew what a liberal was and had no beef with them. Quite often, I been known to use that latter term when talking about these folk. It's perhaps too subtle a distinction, but one I like.
 
Thanks Carbiner!
I grew up watching the ever evolving electronic new sources from the 15 minute version of NBC's Nightly(pre Huntley Brinkley) back in my childhood to the entertainment news of today.
Here's my take. These news networks and outlets are owned and operated by Corporate America. Strike one! General Electric(NBC) is in the business of selling consumables including news. They and their counterparts are far from bastions of liberalism. It's "paint it any color you like as long as it's money green!" It sadly has to do more with selling a product. For many years the electronic outlets were seen as the whores of the "industry"...the stepchild.
As our society changed and revolved more around "the tube" revenues skyrocketed for them.(Much of this was a result of Vietnam coverage). As electronic news got fatter the print media got trampled. News integrity has and continues to remain with print media for the most part. By the seventies we just wanted someone to show us the news, make it warm and fuzzy and even sexy if possible. Pull up a chair and a TV dinner and entertain my ever widening butt.
Don't make me think just show me some nice pictures and talk down to me.
Prior to Vietnam I always felt the TV news was rather straight laced and tight.
I think the visuals of the "war" changed things. There was little difference between the network news' until the advent of 24-7 cable news. Then it really hit the fan! The audience was white, a slightly higher income, college educated and upwardly mobile. The first ones on the block usually are of this stereotype. Same with the first to get and use computers. The new guy always pay for the new concepts and technologies. "Thanks, new guys!"
The one thing that remained the same was that TV news, cable or otherwise was basically aimed at one particular type. There remained huge numbers of people who were excluded,overlooked and neglected by what appeared to be an elitist appeal or target.
Enter Fox! If TV news is about simplifying concepts in an abbreviated manner and selling it to the masses then "let's sell it to the masses!" The concept was simply...talk to regular folks via the conventional antenna not the cable. People from all income groups were no longer excluded and had their own outlet. It was enhanced by some red white and blue talk and a conscious effort to dumb down the CNN approach. Instant success! But where were the "on air" folks to come from? They were hired from the warm and fuzzy outlets. One day the "on air talent" was an elitist liberal from an eastern journalism college talking down to the audience the next day he was the man in the nice suit with the American Flag on his lapel and we called him Bob!
Bob is my guy..Bob tells me straight... Bob's beats up on those limp wristed other guys. Bob's not afraid to say "Christmas" or "God Bless" Bob likes my President and Bob loves his wife and Bob drinks in moderation and Bob wants men to marry woman and Bob ...and Bob...and Bob's a wind up toy created to make the most bucks possible with the least amount of effort and expense.
These outfits are all the same in that they have a target audience they are exploiting without any conscience! Check out any fairly conservative female talking head on CNN. Often times they make their way to Fox. The first thing they get is a make over designed to emulated a street corner hooker. The suits know who their audience is and they play it to the max. Do you think the legs and make up are a coincidence? How about the age?
My favorite "dumb down" is now on MSNBC and formally of FOX. Rita Cosby...though I heard John Stewart refer to her more appropriately as "Throaty McHuskyton" :eek: That covers it!
All in all there's just not a heckava lot of integrity in any TV news. That's not to say it's void of entertainment however.
Joining "Throaty" is that "albino wolfman" on Fox. Or that guy on FOX in the early AM who was just bashing Peter Jennings for being a non-American. Somebody ought to tell this "mensa member" about his bosses national origin.
The other stand out was CNN's recently terminated Arron Brown. I'm convinced he attended the Mr Roger's School of Broadcasting. I kept expecting him to show me how to button my sweater.
In TV it's what's hot now and what's selling now. I'm sure if Fox remains hot the others will get just as "FOXED UP" before long. Sadly, integrity in TV is basically non existent. There's something rather comical about scheduling "Horny Housewives" followed immediately by "This Just In" :eek:

Here's some programs (not general news) which I feel are watch worthy:
Lou Dobbs CNN
Hardball, though sometimes it's closer to Nerf Ball MSNBC
Fox New Watch

Just one man's opinion!
Rimrock
 
We can whip the anti's by educating them ....by destorying the stereotype that currently exists about shooters. The love of shooting transcends economics, geography, ethnicity, religion, politics, and gender.
It's the ignorant vs the enlightened.
Shooting isn't about a knock down in a 7-11. It's about special times with your children and friends and special memories for a lifetime.
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Hear, hear! Well said.

--Matt
 
If we are talking Fox - then I enjoy the Sunday show. The guests are interesting and the panel balanced and lively. The Belt Way Boys are also interesting to listen to although Fred is a touch too much a noncritical cheer leader for Bush. Krauthammer and Kristol are worth listening to even if you disagree - there are some brains there.

However, I hate the weekday Morning show - it's like watching the Three Stooges. What a set of dummies - they are given a mandate to cheer on Bush no matter what and they don't have the intellect to do it well. They go through low level mental convolutions to explain any screw up as positive.

It is hysterical when they bring on a truly conservative guest who launches into Bush. They fall apart.

I like to listen to conservatives of principle but not cheer leaders for whatever dumb thing the 'leader' does. Watching Fox trying to construct a coherent tale about the Port sale (supported by Carter) is really a chapter out of the cognitive dissonance book! You see their brains frying.
 
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