Four part question regarding open carry.

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1) Seriously... who on earth is going to say "yes" to "is that acceptable" when you say the Fed is going to control something that we do or how we do it. Of course not. It's absolutely ridiculous, and I can't believe you think anyone is going to say, "SURE! The Federal Govt knows what it best for me!!!!" :)

2) Would I feel safer seeing everyone carrying and seeing the folks that aren't carrying? Well, I would feel both. I would feel a little safer against random psycho shoot-em-up Columbine types, because every place you go would have a bunch of folks visibly packing. But I would feel personally less safe against the one on one intimate kind of assault, attack or mugging, because the bad guy not only knows exactly what he's up against and where to grab, but you will also be dealing with someone who KNOWS you have a gun and yet is still willing to attack you. That's a serious kind of bad guy.

3) Would I carry more often or less often if I knew others around me were carrying? NO DIFFERENCE. What others are doing would not change what I'm doing. I know that being ordered to do something in a certain way by the Feds would certainly put me in a crappy mood.

4) What and how: Glock 29, probably on some kind of a OWB belt holster, with some kind of retention. Sucks, because nobody makes a decent finger operated retention holster for this fat thing, like a Blackhawk Serpa. I would want something that wouldn't get yanked out without a struggle, yet something I could deal with after practicing. Why a G29? 'Cause that's what I carry, and I own it for carry, so I would carry it.

Aside from the 4 questions, I really like that open carry is legal in Ohio, and the biggest reason that I like it is because I'm not specifically breaking the law if my shirt or jacket or whatever compromising position I end up in shows my pistol accidentally. There are places where I'd be breaking the law in the same instance. I know that Florida is one, Texas may be another. In Ohio, I choose not to open carry unless I'm doing something outdoorsy and away from the city, like riding four wheelers, running a chainsaw, having a bonfire, etc etc.

In Ohio, yeah... I could walk the streets of Clevehole with a .44 Mag on my hip according to the letter of the law, but then I get to be a test case for what does and what does NOT constitute inciting panic. So I don't walk around cities and neighborhoods and the mall at Christmastime with an eight-inch barreled revolver hanging down my thigh. But when I'm on my cycle for a 250-mile day (like I was lucky enough to do today! :) ) and the wind happens to kick up both my mesh jacket and my shirt and some lady one lane over in the blue Saab sees my IWB and grip sticking out, I haven't broken the law. Not the letter of it nor the spirit.

If your argument is that you don't want every loudmouth knuckle dragging cromagnon ambling down the sidewalk with a Hi-Point riding mexican in his droopy drawers, I'm with you. But I realized a long time ago that I don't get to have everything my way, and also that I don't get to choose who are the good guys and who doesn't qualify to my strict standards. I've seen plenty of folks at public ranges, swap meets and gun shows that I would much rather NOT be handling firearms, but this is not something I'm entitled to control, nor would I trust my own judgement in the matter.

God forbid if someone else had the authority to judge me. :eek:
 
As pointed out by AZAK below, I failed to read the initial post carefully and therefore my answers don't make much sense. I took another stab at it on the second page of this thread.
1. I would find it acceptable if open carry were legal everywhere in the U. S.

2. Knowing who, in particular, around me was armed wouldn't really make much difference. Knowing a lot of people around me are armed would make me feel more safe.

3. Since I would probably continue to carry concealed, my carry habits wouldn't change significantly. If it caught on sufficiently that a significant (say 10% or more) portion of the population carried then I might carry openly on occasion but that wouldn't mean I would carry more often, just that sometimes I would carry differently than I currently do.

4. Since I would probably continue to carry concealed, I would keep carrying what I usually do: A Kahr CW9 or a Walther PPK depending on the level of concealment required. If I were ever to carry openly I would probably carry something fairly light (read polymer frame semi-auto) strong side about 4 O'Clock. I would definitely get a holster with some sort of retention device if I were going to carry openly.
 
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1. I would find it acceptable if open carry were legal everywhere in the U. S.

2. Knowing who, in particular, around me was armed wouldn't really make much difference. Knowing a lot of people around me are armed would make me feel more safe.

3. Since I would probably continue to carry concealed,

Just checking, did you read that PBP is hypothesizing that CC would not be legal?
 
I would rather carry concealed living in florida .Too manny tourist around. Living on the space coast and MOUSE LAND.:D
 
One thing that I believe is being over looked or even rationalized, is the words lots of, a bunch of, plenty of, and any other word/phrase referring to people carrying guns.

1st and foremost, only about 1 in 5 people in the country even own a gun. Of those, they aren't all hand guns. Many simply own a shotgun or hunting rifle; or a gun such as a 22 that is for plinking. Of those who have guns, only a small percentage of them have a concealed carry permit. Even if we say 10% of the 20%, that's about 7 million. So that means there's about 65-70 million gun owners who aren't carrying concealed. Now, look around and see how many carry openly in the states where it's legal currently. Very few. So, let's just assume that all those who have concealed weapon permits decided to carry openly because that's the new law; you're probably not going to be adding any of the others, because they could be doing it now and still aren't.

So in other words, you're NOT going to see a BUNCH, LOT, etc... of people carrying a weapon. You might see a couple a day.
 
I'll play along with the "what would you carry" bit at least:

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The only thing stopping me from owning an XDM-9 is the fact they're so big. When open carrying there's no reason not to take advantage of its 19+1 capacity.

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This would be my immediate choice since I already have the gun and an auto-retention holster for it. It could probably even be my main choice since it would be considerably lighter than the XDM-9 would be.

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For days that I need to dress up a little bit. Nothing looks classier and 8+1 rounds of 45acp isn't shabby. ;)
 
Hey Gnome,

What auto-retention holster do you use?
For days that I need to dress up a little bit
The only thing I do like about the idea of open carry is the thought of being able to accessorize my handguns to my level of dress. :)
 
It's a black leather Safariland level III retention holster. I got it used in like-new condition from a police officer. It's just a range holster for me at present. In an open-carry world it would make an excellent carry holster. If you don't know what you're doing there's no way you can get the gun out without a hacksaw. I had to search on the internet to figure out how to get my gun back out of it the first time I holstered it lol. It's easy if you know the trick though. ;)
 
1. If the federal government, in conjunction with all 50 state governments, passed a federal law allowing open carry of firearms as the only legal method of carry and outlawing concealed carry (meaning you can carry whatever you want however you want as long as it is visible) would you consider that acceptable? The degree to which the gun would need to be visible would be a predetermined formula such as many knife carry laws are today.

No


2. Would you feel safer knowing who around you was armed or less safe?

No


3. Would you carry more often or less often if you knew others around you were carrying?

More often


4. What would you carry and how? (this is the fun part )

Concealed.
 
1. If the federal government, in conjunction with all 50 state governments, passed a federal law allowing open carry of firearms as the only legal method of carry and outlawing concealed carry (meaning you can carry whatever you want however you want as long as it is visible) would you consider that acceptable? The degree to which the gun would need to be visible would be a predetermined formula such as many knife carry laws are today.
Not no, but Hell No.

2. Would you feel safer knowing who around you was armed or less safe?
Tell you the truth, I am pretty sure that a lot of peoiple here in Texas are armed. I don't give it any thought at all. Yes, you read that right...not "a bit of thought" and not "too much thought", but absolutely zero thought.

3. Would you carry more often or less often if you knew others around you were carrying?
I carry every day, everywhere it is legal to do so, whether others do so or not. Period.
4. What would you carry and how? (this is the fun part )
Definitely the fun part. :) If OC is the the order of the day, I am ready. My S&W 6" N-frames in .41 Mag and .45 Colt stand ready. My Kimber 1911s (in varying barrel lengths) will suffice as well.
 
AZAK said:
Just checking, did you read that PBP is hypothesizing that CC would not be legal?
No, I missed that part. That changes things a bit.

Ok, here are my new answers to the questions exactly as they are asked.

1. I would find it completely unacceptable if CC were outlawed and OC were the only option available.

2. Knowing who, in particular, around me was armed wouldn't really make much difference to me. Knowing a lot of people around me are armed would make me feel more safe.

3. Yes, I would carry much less often--hardly at all, in fact. While I know no one personally who has had to use a firearm in self-defense I know a LOT of people personally who have had their homes burglarized for their firearms--some repeatedly. I don't like to advertise to passers-by/onlookers that I have firearms in a context where a person also knows where I live. So carrying openly near where I live would be generally unacceptable to me.

4. If I were ever to carry openly I would probably carry something fairly light (read polymer frame semi-auto) strong side about 4 O'Clock. I would definitely get a holster with some sort of retention device if I were going to carry openly.
 
1. If the federal government, in conjunction with all 50 state governments, passed a federal law allowing open carry of firearms as the only legal method of carry and outlawing concealed carry (meaning you can carry whatever you want however you want as long as it is visible) would you consider that acceptable? The degree to which the gun would need to be visible would be a predetermined formula such as many knife carry laws are today.

Passing federal law allowing open carry in all 50 states as an alternative to state law - such as the FOPA transportation law is now - would be completely acceptable to me. Anything else, such as your exact question above, would be unacceptable to me.

2. Would you feel safer knowing who around you was armed or less safe?

Would not change how safe I feel. The bad guys are still going to conceal their illegal firearms.

3. Would you carry more often or less often if you knew others around you were carrying?

My frequency of carrying would not change. I am responsible for my own self defense, nobody else is.

4. What would you carry and how? (this is the fun part )

A Taurus PT145 in a Uncle Mike's Belt Slide Law Enforcement Holster, just like I do now. Nothing would change.
 
Ah, yes. What's with the labyrinth of questions? Silly penguin. Last question, it would be a Colt 1911 Defender. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
I would think that an OC amendment would require a "security" holster. Judging from the damage to chairs and car seats at work it would be a hard sell. Plus, "security" holsters are ugly in my opinion.
 
1."open carry as the only legal way of carry."

I would like to see open carry as a bonifide means of carry so that law officers could see who has guns and that people who do carry them carry in a legal manner.

I would not like to see concealed carry outlawed as a result though.

2.Feel safer knowing who around you was armed?

Not really.

I consider anyone armed-that is- capable of attacking me with any means around them anyway at anytime.

They could use their fists,a rock,a stick,a chair,an attack in consort with two or more of their friends- anything.

They are already armed to me.

3.Would you carry more?

Yes,I would because it would be much more socially acceptable to do so and less restrictive legally.

4. What would you carry and how?

Full size 10 mm Glock-shoulder holstered-with a two mag holder on the other side of the rig.
 
None of the questions matter at all to me, hypothetical or not. As the Naval LT. said, I will not count on anyone else for my own or my familiys' safety.
 
Lots of good responses here.... Just illustrates how subjective these decisions can be....A good example of open discussion re: a relatively controversial topic.....
 
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