Form 4473?

Yep, HK hit what I was trying to say. Potentially comitting a federal felony will keep most people from lying on the 4473. It won't keep all criminals from lying, especially if they are willing to murder or rape.

And I find the whole 'I'm not going to give them my SSN' thing to be a non-issue, if they can look up your entire background, they can probably look up the SSN too.
 
Sodbuster wrote:

Join Date: 09-26-1999
Location: 200 miles north of Teton Pass
Posts: 842 Since a social security number is not required on a 4473, just a fake ID with a name known to have no record will suffice. Some states do not even put a ss# on their driver's licenses. The ID verification part of the 4473 that the dealer fills out on page two is not part of the info given to NICS; it would only be checked in a BATFE audit of the dealer's records. Not sure what part date of birth (DOB) and place of birth play in the NICS checks. They may have to match an assumed name? It's possible the transaction may be delayed or denied? There are ways to prevent use of fake IDs: retinal scans, DNA testing, and an outright ban of guns come to mind. Or no more 4473 forms!
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Sodbuster mentioned that some states do not put Social Security Numbers on Drivers Licenses. They damned well shouldn't, for looking at my Social Security Card, I find a rather short, 7 word admonition, one that seems to have been all to easily overlooked and or forgotten. It says, in large type face, the following.

FOR SOCIAL PURPOSES ONLY NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

I've never quite understood how it came to be that the citizenry failed to remind those public servants of ours, along with the wide assortment of bureaucratic drones one encounters of that admonition, as forcefully as might prove necessary. Perhaps I'm nuts.
 
I know what to say.... step back slowly and remove the tinfoil hat.
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Lmao.. you know whats crazy/sad.. I posted a pic of myself in a tin hat on my blog(as a joke..serriously!), and now its come back to haunt me for the rest of my days :eek:
 
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That's not YOU is it? :eek:
 
You can't tell me you don't think someone is watching over these sites, do you? The mere fact that firearms are being bought and sold would probably give them enough reason to at least casually monitor this board.
 
SSN Delusions

"And I find the whole 'I'm not going to give them my SSN' thing to be a non-issue, if they can look up your entire background, they can probably look up the SSN too."

You obviously miss the point, as did the poster who observed that some states don't put the SSN on their drivers licenses. No intelligent state does that.

The idea is not to keep the Feds from finding your SSN if so inclined; it is to keep identity theives from being handed the key to your entire existence. Those states cretinous to have required the use of the Federally-created SSN for drivers licenses have since found that it made it quite easy for stalkers to track down victims, psycho ex-boyfriends/ex-husbands to locate their estranged partners and for unauthorized access to medical and financial records.

My state has gone from REQUIRING the use of SSN's on licenses to allowing the licensee to OPT OUT of its use to requiring ALTERNATE numbers, unless the licensee is so stupid as to actually request the use of the SSN.

As was already noted, the SSN was issued "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES ONLY - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION." Further, why would any intelligent person want to aid and abet the use of a single identifier?

Hey, here's a nifty idea for you "convenience/they'll get it anyway" whiners:

TATTOO IT ON YOUR ARM! :eek:
 
The idea is not to keep the Feds from finding your SSN if so inclined; it is to keep identity theives from being handed the key to your entire existence.
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Moot point, for me anyways. My SSN is on every credit card application, school record, and bank acount. It is my student ID in college, which goes on most papers I turn in. The 4473, I suppose someone unscrupolous could be working at the stores in which I pretty much know everyone, but if werre going for ID theft, I'm much more concerned about the papers being handed in with my nams and SSN.
 
You can't tell me you don't think someone is watching over these sites, do you?
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Actually, jefnvk, I can tell you that I don't think someone is watching over these sites, because that is what I believe.

After working for "the government" for 30 years, I don't think they have the organization, resources, or manpower to monitor the internet.

Of course, since I'm a government employee, you'd better be careful what you say, because I'm watching. :D
 
Your choice; your mistake

"Moot point, for me anyways. My SSN is on every credit card application, school record, and bank acount. It is my student ID in college, which goes on most papers I turn in."

There is NO reason for it being on school records, still less the papers you turn in. My school tried that with me - and lost. It issued me a separate number, which was very convenient when grades were posted. I was always the last number listed.

Your utter disregard for privacy reflects YOUR choices. I don't recommend your practices for anyone concerned about security.
 
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As was already noted, the SSN was issued "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES ONLY - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION." Further, why would any intelligent person want to aid and abet the use of a single identifier?

Number 6:

Unless someone else in this discussion noted the above, I don't think so, it was I who provided that quote, which came from my circa 1948 Social Security Card. What tends to gripe me is the fact that the general public, or certainly a large proportion thereof, blindly allows bureaucratic drones, both in and out of "government" to badger them, as with those ever present demands for your "sosch", sometimes your "social". all of which translate, when speaking English that is, into your Social Security Number, which was promised, as others have noted, would NEVER BE USED AS A GENERAL INDIVIDUAL IDENTIFIER, which is what FDR did in fact say, to overcome objections that, at the time, were raised re the creation of the program.

One more thing on Social Security. As is sometimes mentioned Chancellor Bismark, in the 19th century did establish such system in Germany. The retirement age was set, from what I've read, at 65 years, which I've always found interesting, given that life expectancy, at the time, was approximately 45 years. Talk about double-dealing or that proverbial fast shuffle.

gc70, provided the followoing quote:

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You can't tell me you don't think someone is watching over these sites, do you?

I've seen references, on other sites, to "the feds reading posts and taking notes, or words to that effect.

First place, these discussions are not in the least secret. There are the Internet equivalent of putting your soapbox down at the corner of the busiest intersection in town, climbing up thereon, and offering your thoughts, perhaps inflicting them, on any and all who happen by, and stop to listen.

Secondly, should "the feds" be unhappy with whatever it might be that they read here or at any other open discussions, let them stay in their offices, the ones provided in part, by the same people who might be critical of them at or on these sites, and play solitare, or someother harmless game.

Thirdly, and perhaps most important is the following: Should it tuirn out that the good people of this country have in effect, hired such a bunch of federal boobs, as cannot tell the difference between the citizen exercising his or her constitutional rights, and some person intent on doing harm, then I guess that a particular Latin phrase well and truly applies, re the condition of the country and it's citizens.

Semper in excretum, solus humus profundum variat. My Latin is likely terrible so I will provide what is supposedly the proper translation. Always in the ****, only the depth of which varies. Actually, it wold be very much worse than then, so I will close with the following, addressed to "government".

Should you all happen to dislike what, in the proper exercise of their constitutional rights, citizens might have to sad about THEIR GOVERNMENT, quit your damned eavesdropping, and go out there, and at least try to do some legitimate work. Either that, or quit doing whatever it is that the citizens criticize you for doing.
 
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