Forged documents linked directly to Kerry Campaign.. Kerry should drop out.

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Patrick Graham

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It's more then enough to start an FBI investigation into

1. Forging Government documents.

2. Election fraud - they forged the document to affect the election results.

3. Racketeering

Here's an exceprt from the Indianapolis Star

http://ap.indystar.com/dynamic/stor...?SITE=ININS&SECTION=POLITICS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

When you read this.. keep in mind that Cleland works for the Kerry campaign

Man Linked to Bush Memos Contacted Cleland

By KELLEY SHANNON
Associated Press Writer

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- A retired Texas National Guard official mentioned as a possible source for disputed documents about President Bush's service in the Guard said he passed along information to a former senator working with John Kerry's campaign

Also, a White House official said Saturday that Bush has reviewed disputed documents that purport to show he refused orders to take a physical examination in 1972 and did not recall having seen them previously.

The long-running story on Bush's Texas Air National Guard service took an unusual twist when CBS broadcast a report on what it said were the newly discovered records. The authenticity of the documents has come into doubt.

In his first public comment on the CBS documents controversy, the president told The Union Leader of Manchester, N.H., "There are a lot of questions about the documents, and they need to be answered."

The retired Guard official, Bill Burkett, said in an Aug. 21 e-mail to a list of Texas Democrats that after getting through "seven layers of bureaucratic kids" in the Democrat's campaign, he talked with former Georgia Sen. Max Cleland about information that would counter criticism of Kerry's Vietnam War service. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the e-mail Saturday

"I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. (Cleland) said counterattack. So I gave them the information to do it with," Burkett wrote.


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I don't want him to drop out. I think that the Democratic Party needs to express itself and for now that means Kerry. Hillary is running to the middle and hopes to pickup the pieces for 2008. Should Hillary lose in 2008, there is hope for the Democratic party. I use to be a Democrat and must say that I'm with Zel. The Republicans under Bush are now moving in the same direction. If the country is conservative.. where is the conservative secular party? Who will keep the budget in check, respect our borders and pass functions such as education to the states? By the time we finish with Bush, we might just be primed for Hillary.
 
But, according to Dan Rather, Bush hasn't answered the questions and charges raised in those fake, but accurate, documents. And that's the important thing.

;)
 
Kerry should drop out.
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I think the Demonrat party should be required to run him every four years until he either dies, or wins.


If anybody in my family ever votes for a Demo again, I'm gonna disown them.
 
Fred, do you REALLY want to have to listen to this idiot every 4 years?


PLEASE! Bring back Walter Mondale!


His politics are the pits, but at least he's a gentleman!
 
And yet.....

The direct link between karl Rove (Bush's campaign man) and the person financing the SwiftBoat Liars Convention elicited no crys of outrage..... hypocrisy much?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129590,00.html

"WALLACE: Mr. Odell, I want to get into one last area with you. Senator Kerry says that your group is a front for the White House and is doing its dirty work.

A couple of specific questions.

One of your biggest funders, Bob Perry, is one of the biggest contributors in Texas to Republican causes and, in fact, is a close associate of Karl Rove, the president's chief political man.

Merrie Spaeth, who is a public relations consultant to your group, has been working for Republican causes for years.

You have met with either of them?

ODELL: I've met with Merrie Spaeth. I've not met with Bob Perry. I bought one of his homes several years ago."
 
" The retired Guard official, Bill Burkett, said in an Aug. 21 e-mail to a list of Texas Democrats that after getting through "seven layers of bureaucratic kids" in the Democrat's campaign, he talked with former Georgia Sen. Max Cleland about information that would counter criticism of Kerry's Vietnam War service."

COOOL!

If Kerry is guilty because a dolt in his campaign organization did something bad, we can start the impeachment proceedings against Bush because Karl Rove (Bush's main man) was implicated in spreading the story that uncovered the identity of a CIA operative... A FEDERAL FELONY.

I guess that means nader will be our next Prez.
 
The direct link between karl Rove (Bush's campaign man) and the person financing the SwiftBoat Liars Convention elicited no crys of outrage..... hypocrisy much?
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What documents did the Swift Boat group forge again? Please fill me in.
 
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COOOL!

If Kerry is guilty because a dolt in his campaign organization did something bad, we can start the impeachment proceedings against Bush because Karl Rove (Bush's main man) was implicated in spreading the story that uncovered the identity of a CIA operative... A FEDERAL FELONY.

I guess that means nader will be our next Prez.
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That must be the new math or something... I can't get that to add up..

Man.. this form really trolled up fast.. Firingline hasn't open but a couple of months and already the DU operatives have dug in..
 
because Karl Rove (Bush's main man) was implicated in spreading the story that uncovered the identity of a CIA operative... A FEDERAL FELONY.
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Bounty, you really need to read up on this one.
 
Patrick, good try, but the call for Kerry to drop out is naive. You have assumed that Kerry did the crimes, but as something done by one of his campaign folks, Kerry is in the clear. Kerry did not forge documents (that we know), government or otherwise. As such, he didn't commit election fraud or extortion (racketeering). And before anyone says it, just because it is someone under his campaign umbrella is not the same as him doing it or being responsible for it. Campaigns are set up as separate entities, part of the candidate's activities, but distinctly separate. If we made every candidate drop out for something subordinates did wrong or illegal, we would not have many presidential candidates.
 
I want to know who GENERATED the document! If CBS is not interested, then they are no longer a "NEWS" org.. If they refuse to give up sources that "lied" to them, as they allege, they are no longer a "NEWS" org.. If a source drums up fake documents, to sway an American election, and it is found to be fake. What RIGHT does that person have under CBS's confidentiality policy? CBS came out loud and long about the Bush story. If they aren't HACKS, let them come out loud and long about the truth. If, they can still remember how.
 
If Kerry is guilty because a dolt in his campaign organization did something bad, we can start the impeachment proceedings against Bush because Karl Rove (Bush's main man) was implicated in spreading the story that uncovered the identity of a CIA operative... A FEDERAL FELONY.
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Yes, implicated by disingenuous Democrats desperate to distract people from their pathetic message of dependency and despair, one that doesn't seem to be resonating too well judging by poll numbers of late.

:rolleyes:
 
Nah, Kerry doesn't seem to have committed a crime. But, it would seem to indicate the kind of inept and out of control administration over which he would preside if elected.
 
Lockhart said Mapes asked him the weekend before the story broke to call Burkett. "She basically said there's a guy who is being helpful on the story who wants to talk to you," Lockhart said, adding that it was common knowledge that CBS was working on a story raising questions about Bush's Guard service. Mapes told him there were some records "that might move the story forward. She didn't tell me what they said."
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So, not only did Max Cleland of Kerry's campaign talk with Burkett, it is now obvious that Mary Mapes, Dan Rather's producer for the segment, contact Joe Lockhart of Kerry's campaign and told him HE should call Burkett to get the information.

CBS was working DIRECTLY with the Kerry campaign, supplying them campaign fodder, in an attempt to advance Kerry's election hopes. So much for CBS trying to make ANY claims of objectivity and longer!

I want to find out: What did John Kerry know and when did he know it???
 
Nah, Kerry doesn't seem to have committed a crime. But, it would seem to indicate the kind of inept and out of control administration over which he would preside if elected.
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It's sort of one or the other, isn't it? He's either in charge of this, or he's not.

He's either a criminal, or he's incompetent.


Pick your poison.


Just don't pick him for President.


I don't think he has the stones for any serious criminal activity, but then, liberals don't consider anything they do as criminal*, so maybe he could have been involved in this.



*By definition: They do it = good. Conservatives do it = bad.
 
'...no stones for any serious criminal activity'?

Falsifying reports while in the Navy.
Admitted war criminal.
Conspiricy to kill Senators and
other elected officials.
Lying under oath before the Senate.
Treason; giving aid and comfort to
the enemy in TWO wars.
Collaborating with the enemy.
Graft, Fraud and corruption.
Inumumerable violations of the Constitution
while masquerading as a US Senator.
Violations of campaign laws, standards and ethics.

ya like apples?...how 'bout them apples.
 
Well, you have a point... er, points.

On the other hand...

but then, liberals don't consider anything they do as criminal*, so maybe he could have been involved in this.



*By definition: They do it = good. Conservatives do it = bad.
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:D
 
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