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carguychris
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+1. I find the PPQ trigger to be too light for a carry gun with no double-action stage or thumb safety. This is, however, a highly subjective matter.Fishbed77 said:
To be fair, I feel the same way about the HK VP9 and the Canik TP9SA/SF/SFx/SF Elite.
Glock started the "no thumb safety" craze.
carguychris
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Yes, but factory-stock Glocks have a much longer and heavier trigger pull than the pistols I discussed. Their trigger are IMHO simply too short and light to give me a peaceful easy feeling while holstering.otasan said:
OTOH I will carry a Glock, P99, or non-thumb-safety M&P without hesitation.
Not really. There have been semi-auto pistols for may decades before the Glock without thumb safeties. The Tokarev TT springs to mind, although it was not intended to be carried with a round chambered. Even then, there were many DA/SA or DAO designs prior to the Glock (with or without decockers) that could be carried safely with a round in the chamber and not utilize a manual safety (outside of said decocker).
Granted, the Glock did make manual safety-less constant-action trigger designs popular.
I do like the design of the M&P (non shield) thumb safeties. They seem hard to engage unintentionally, so long as you keep your thumbs in a reasonable place, and if I understand correctly I believe they also allow you to still manipulate the slide even when the safety is engaged. So when you're doing various types of operations with a loaded pistol, maybe reholstering or just clearing a live round, you could use that thumb safety as an extra measure of security against dumb mistakes. But then you could carry it with the safety off.
I love my PPQ, but I will say that early on I had several unintentional double Taps because the trigger is so short it was easy to bump it a second time just coming back from recoil.
I love my PPQ, but I will say that early on I had several unintentional double Taps because the trigger is so short it was easy to bump it a second time just coming back from recoil.
I have a few P99 questions...vs PPQ also.
1. Can a P99c use the same holster as the P99 full size?
2. Can the PPQ M2 share a holster with the P99? Guessing no, but they look so awfully similar.
3. Is the P99 single action trigger essential the same pull as the PPQ?
4. Does the P99 have the same internal striker safeties as the PPQ?
I can't answer question 1 or 2, but:
3. No. The P99AS single action trigger weight is about 4.5 lbs vs. 5.5 lbs for the PPQ. They are both smooth, crisp, and have a very short reset.
4. Yes. The P99AS has a striker safety similar to the PPQ. It also has a trigger safety (although the PPQ has a Glock-style blade, while the P99AS has the whole face of the trigger act as the safety). The P99AS also has the additional safety of being able to be de-cocked into double-action mode (which has an ~8.5 lb trigger weight).
carguychris
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IMHO the P99 DA trigger is excellent once broken-in. Very smooth and constant, no "stacking," reasonably short. I find it easier to shoot well than most old-school metal DA/SA autos.
I will reiterate that IMHO the P99 has a better trigger for a carry gun. The DA stage is easier to handle than the DA stage of most other autoloaders, and I also love the unobtrusive top-mounted decock button—although you have to partially disengage your support hand to use it, it won't snag stuff like traditional slide-mounted decocker/safeties, and it doesn't force unusual slide stop placement like the SIG decocking lever does.
Why is it again that I don't own a P99?
I will reiterate that IMHO the P99 has a better trigger for a carry gun. The DA stage is easier to handle than the DA stage of most other autoloaders, and I also love the unobtrusive top-mounted decock button—although you have to partially disengage your support hand to use it, it won't snag stuff like traditional slide-mounted decocker/safeties, and it doesn't force unusual slide stop placement like the SIG decocking lever does.
Why is it again that I don't own a P99?
wild cat mccane
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There is only one complaint with the P99 AS trigger:
If you decock, then pull the slide back a short bit, the trigger is in single action but fully forward (this is the Anti Stress mode). When you pull the full length in single action, there is a bump as the trigger sets into the single action area and will now stay in the single action pull length.
The bump is a physical bump.
Not that bad, and I can't say I would ever say the Anti Stress mode is a good one to use in any situation.
Other than that, it's the bee's knees in DA or SA.
If you decock, then pull the slide back a short bit, the trigger is in single action but fully forward (this is the Anti Stress mode). When you pull the full length in single action, there is a bump as the trigger sets into the single action area and will now stay in the single action pull length.
The bump is a physical bump.
Not that bad, and I can't say I would ever say the Anti Stress mode is a good one to use in any situation.
Other than that, it's the bee's knees in DA or SA.