For those who wonder why a high dollar SxS costs so much

Doesn't matter. If you suggest that an expensive quality gun is worth it, some people see it as an act of class warfare.
I'm with you. Until someone has shot a really GOOD SxS, they can't begin to understand.
 
I've never owned a "high dollar" SXS, but I have long admired them.

Funny story. Last week I found a Parker Trogan for sale at a reasonable price. I passed on it at first, then called the shop back a few hours later and told the clerk to put it on hold for me. I went back a couple of days later and asked to see it. Fellow went and got the gun while I made a pit stop.

When I came back my wife was holding the gun. As I walked up, I thought to myself, "I don't remember it having a beavertail forearm...or a straight English stock...or a silver receiver...Ok, they got somebody elses gun. No, it's got my name on it...It is a Parker...$500.00? Maybe they're giving me an upgrade for being a good customer...Oh WAIT! That's not $500.00...that's $5,000.00. :eek: Do NOT scratch this gun."

Turned out the fellow I talked to pulled the wrong Parker. They had more than one...who knew? The one I wanted was a Trogan, the bottom of the Parker line. This one was a HGE, VGE, or some alphabet combination. It was expensive at least in my world, anyway.

But, I understand that in the world of Parkers, even that one was "inexpensive."
 
Interesting video. But, I'm not convinced all those hand operations need to be done by hand these days. A lot of make work to maintain the mistique and price.
 
Hand fitting of a gun to the customer's requirements by folks whose skills cannot be replicated by computer, is something that some folks appreciate and want. Barrels are struck to their specific weight and balance requirements; stocks shaped and then finished to exacting requirements, etc. are also hard to do by machine.

According to your thought process, there is no need for musicians, artists, or anything similar, because a computer can do that anyway
 
Hand fitting of a gun to the customer's requirements by folks whose skills cannot be replicated by computer, is something that some folks appreciate and want.
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Agreed. There are some things that you would think a computer should be able to do as well as an artisan, but it rarely works out that way.

Brooks Brothers (the clothing company) has installed computerized scanners in some of their stores that record up to 700,000 data points on the customer's body with an accuracy of less than a quarter-millimeter. In theory, this should allow for computer-sizing of suits, and an even better fit than their semi-custom "made to measure" program.

But the reality was that the resulting suits didn't fit as well, because there was no skilled artisan to make the necessary little "tweaks" as the suit comes together. As one Brooks Brothers tailor said of the scanner "It would work great - if we were selling wetsuits."
 
iraiam it is not the United States where they are working. The gun makers serve a apprenticeship that is much longer than one in the states.

Some gunmaking schools won't let a apprentice move on till they learn how to use a file, and that is about two years.

And thats why the guns cost so much, the skill of the workmen. Remember these guns are not made on a punchpress.
 
Many of the workers who work for Arrietta and AyA are replacing their fathers, who replaced THEIR fathers on those same work benches, and as mentioned, the apprenticeship is longer than any US union trade, sometimes as long as 10+ years. This is as much art as it is mechanical assembly workmanship
 
Those are nice looking shotguns but for the price they command I'd rather have a custom centerfire. I can't justify that kind of loot for a pheasant gun.
 
The guns are called "bespoke" or spoken for.

If you can afford a bespoke gun you don't have to justify it.


Just want to add: The Spanish or other gun makers will build you a custom centerfire rifle if you want.
 
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Those are nice looking shotguns but for the price they command I'd rather have a custom centerfire. I can't justify that kind of loot for a pheasant gun.
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Really? Personally, I'd rather shoot a pheasant (or a grouse or a woodcock or a quail) than I would a deer (and I've killed more than a few deer in my life). I would argue this: a quality double-barrel shotgun has potentially many objective advantages in terms of handling, durability, reliability, pattering uniformity and point of impact to point of aim, over a cheap s/s but, other than subjective aesthetics (and I appreciate looks and workmanship as much as anyone else), a custom rifle won't necessarily shoot any more accurately, be any more reliable or durable or handle any better than a good (even cheaper- as in Savage) factory rifle.
I think you get more for your money in an objective sense in a high-dollar double-barreled shotgun than you ever will with a high-dollar rifle. Just my jaded opinion, of course.
 
If I could shoot a shotgun as much as I wanted - that would be everyday... I loved to have one. However, the last thing I shot with a shotgun ...a starling...was about 5 months ago.
 
You do not need to spend 5 figures to get an excellent SxS.
In American style guns, the Browning BSSs, Winchester 23s, Parker Reproductions (although I have never been a Parker fan), and Berettas are all well made guns. The SKB 100s and 200s are good guns for the money, and a bit lighter. There are also several English style good guns available as well if you look.
 
Those are nice looking shotguns but for the price they command I'd rather have a custom centerfire.
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Aren't modern shotguns centerfires?:confused:

With the exception of .22 shotshells, it's been a long time since anyone made a rimfire or pinfire shotgun.
 
You do not need to spend 5 figures to get an excellent SxS.
In American style guns, the Browning BSSs, Winchester 23s, Parker Reproductions (although I have never been a Parker fan), and Berettas are all well made guns. The SKB 100s and 200s are good guns for the money, and a bit lighter. There are also several English style good guns available as well if you look.
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Most of the Spanish guns aren't 5 figures until you get into the high-end engraving and exhibition wood

The only thin I dislike about your choices are the single triggers. If clay shooting, no big deal, but I really prefer two triggers when upland hunting, especially when I lived out West and chased wild quail and chukar. You never knew whcih way those dang birds were going to go upon liftoff.....:D, otherwise, all those you mention are nice guns in the 1-5K range. But for the mid-to upper range in that $$$ amount, new Uggies, AyAs and Arriettas are available - and if you can wait and order through each one's importer, you can get the stock to your dimensions for little to no extra costs - a real advantage when shooting a SxS - especially for someone like me who is LH
 
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