Follow me into the mind of an Anti & you will understand their way of thinking

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FUD

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"... I have seen the light in the tunnel and it is a train ..."

One of my sister-in-laws is interested in buying a summer home in Orlando (central Florida is cooler than southern Florida) and so we loaded up the mini-van and the entire extended family took a sudden/unexpected mini-vacation over the Labor Day week-end.

The sister-in-law who is interested in buying the house is a moderate Anti and my other sister-in-law is a SUPER-MEGA Anti! Having spent every single minute of the entire week-end with her, I finally now understand how the Anti mind operates. But first, an example (I have several examples from this week-end but in the interest of space and typing, I will only mention one) ...

The directions said to make a left onto "West Town Parkway" which would be "about a mile after the exit". When we were a mile from the exit, we came upon a sign that said "Towne Center Parkway" and I was prepared to make a left turn but my SUPER-MEGA Anti sister-in-law said that this wasn't the turn because the directions said "West Town Parkway" and not "Towne Center Parkway". I pointed out that we were about a mile from the exit and maybe the directions were off by a word or two but she insisted that this was not the turn and told me to continue until I came to "West Town Parkway".

After driving another mile or so, I said that if we did come upon "West Town Parkway", then that still would not be the right turn to make because it wasn't one mile from the exit but two miles from the exit (using her own logic). We got into this detailed discussion as to why she was placing such blind faith into one part of the directions (the name of the stupid street) and willing to accept another part of the directions (the distance from the exit) as being in error -- following her logic, if you place blind faith into one part of the directions, then you should place an equal amount of blind faith into all of the directions and if you're willing to accept that one part of the directions might be in error then should should be willing to accept that another part of the directions is in error.

... That's when it hit me! The Anti's live in this perfect world:<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> If guns are outlawed, there there will be less violent crime -- never mind the fact that violent crime can be committed without guns or that criminals (by definition) don't obey laws (including gun laws).
<LI> If someone is breaking into your home, then you dial '911' and help will be at your door before you even finsih giving the operator your address -- never mind the fact that response time could be several minutes AND depending on circumstances, could be around an hour or longer (more than enought time for something BAD to happen).
<LI> Etc.</UL>I finally understand their twisted way of thinking. Now, I need a plan, an approach (facts, figures & logic alone won't do it) to get them to see the light -- if I can convert my sister-in-law, we can convert anybody & everybody. Let's get start! Comments & Suggests are welcomed.

FUD
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On a positive note, she's voting for Bush for reasons that have nothing to do with Gun Control -- so at least that's a "positive" for our side.
 
Fud,

...and I thought that when I went into this thread that you'd have a black screen come up -- i.e. 'Follow me into the mind of an Anti- & you will understand their way of thinking' In the dark! :D :D :D

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FUD, you said "logic alone won't do it." I think you are right on the money! Logic *won't* do it at all. I would go so far as to say that logic is a waste of time! And facts and figures are dismissed by the antis as quickly as we dismiss HCI's facts and figures. It's all a question of who and what we each choose to believe.

We might have to find a way to appeal to pure emotionalism. (Perish the thought...) That seems to be all that antis respond to. But how?

I would like to know more about your S-I-L and her reaction to your logical statement about trusting one part of the directions and not another. This scenario seems to be a very insightful look into the thought processes of an anti.

Oh yeah, did you find the house? Who was right, you or she?

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It's simpler than that.

Antis refuse to take responsibility for their lives. If you, on the other hand, do take responsibility for your life, you spotlight the fact that the anti is a coward. Antis can't have that. Solution: deny you the right to take responsibility for your life. Presto!
 
This breed of "logic" has made billions for those who recognize and use it.

Example...Large economy size whatever, never mind that it costs more per unit of measure than the regular size.

New label on a can of whatever "less Fat", nevermind that it has same fat as always, just less than sumpin else: But it costs more.

"Lite"...you get less but at least you get to pay more.

"It's for the Children" will sell anything to them.

Fud, I was married to a lady who thought like your in-law. She wasn't an anti tho, just confusing as hell to be with and totaly dangerous with a checkbook or credit card.

Sam....When logic doesn't work, cheat.
 
FUD,

I would try to take her and a few others out shooting 22 rifles in the country away from any other shooters. 22s are not too intimidating and are very fun to shoot. If she balks at the idea, tell her that these are basically the same type of rifles used at carnivals and so forth to win prizes with. After she knocks over a few cans, she will be hooked on the fun! :)

Joe

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TheBluesMan, I was right about the house. I pointed out that her thinking was flawed and that it was illogical for her to accept one part of the directions (the name) as having to be 100% correct but willing to accept the distance to be off. We then went back & forth about the fact that we live in an inperfect world and we have to accept responsibility for the failures of others (otherwise we would still be driving looking for this address that doesn't exist). I felt that I was making headway until other family members piped in that we're on vacation and here to have a good time and it really doesn't matter whose right and whose wrong as long as we found the place that we were looking for. So, we both decided to drop the matter (especially since we hadn't yet started talking about firearms even though I was pushing the arguement in that direction hoping to score a victory in that area) -- however, when it comes to our right to keep & bear arms, it DOES matter who is right and who is wrong ... not owning a gun when your door is being kicked in and you're placed on hold when you dial '911' is the wrong time to realize that you were wrong about this issue! FUD.

By the way, what I talked about in this post was only one incident -- I'll leave it to your imagination how the rest of the week-end went.
 
Not a look into the mind of an anti, but close. At work our copier was having a bad day. It spit out one page that was completely black. I picked it up and was looking at the toner density (yeah, strange things catch my eye) when a shooting friend and co-worker happened by. He took one look at the sheet and said that it looked like Bill Clinton's soul caught on paper.
 
Changing an anti is best done through absolute fear of their life and some are dense enough it might have to be more then once, I likethe idea of signs in an anti's yard saying "gun free zone", while they wont do that they cant take the logic any further then to understand that the sign would single them out......very much like prayer in a foxhole. ....Ive gone so far as to research countless articles and hand deliver them to a Democratic fundraiser (small time), were I work because she did not belive that the Clinton/Gore-schumer etc.,, were out to end the 2nd amendment, she's had some problems so I waited a bit and finally inquired if she had read the 40 some odd reports I had found for her---she had read some of them, but hadnt had the time to verify what I had given her or even a part of it. She claims that she dosent like the idea that the democrats are trying to outlaw guns, it has not stopped her fundraising, meetings, or other support at a local level for any of her Democratic politicians. Her areas of interest politically seem to be a "womens right to abortion". "drugs for the elderly,she has elderly parents"-----she believe's that govt is where you go to get help, but that she is an independent type of person----she has bought into the democratic rhetoric of the last 20 years or so.....this women believes the entire load the democrats have dropped on the country....fubsy....
 
FUD,
If you want to know if there is anything that can get an anti to see the light, take them to the Holocaust Museum in Tel Aviv. Israel. Show them what gun control did for the Jews. This will be an event of pure "emotionalism" for them I'm sure, but they will probably come away wanting even stricter gun control. Anti's in general and Liberals in particular will instinctively believe in the opposite of the truth on virtually everything.
Next time you take a trip with them, you should do it in a non-walk through Rider truck, antis in the back. If they protest, tell them you've hired a high ranking liberal government official to drive the truck so they will be happy about riding around in the dark. Make sure it's a really hot day, too! (Antis love to be treated like livestock)
Good luck,
SM
 
Airborne hahahhaha! DOnt forget to mention that they are being taken to a "Liberial 'Training' Camp" for the weekend :)

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FUD, you've actually pointed out even more than you originally thought.

For example, when your family began shutting down the discussion by arguing that it 'doesn't really matter who's right and who's wrong'. In a similar vein, I find it is quite common for people to even begin goofy tangents of dismissing reality as relative when you start damaging their logic regarding the RKBA. You know ... this kind of foolishness:
RKBA: 'But, what would you do if someone broke into your house?'
Anti-Self Defense: 'Well, I'd call 911!'
RKBA: 'And, what if they didn't get there in time?'
Anti-Self Defense: 'Then I leave my fate in the hands of God.'
RKBA: 'But, what if you could have taken action to save the life of your child and yourself?'
Anti-Self Defense: 'Well, I couldn't take a human life.'
RKBA: 'Not even some scumbag who's willing to kill your little boy or girl.'
Anti-Self Defense: 'Who's to say if he is a scumbag? And, why should his life be worth less than mine?' Blah, blah, blah.

FUD ... buddy .... take a look at the '5 Minute Handbook' in TFL's library. I'd respectfully suggest you spend some quality time with the SIL that is a 'moderate' Anti. She's probably worth the investment. The other one may simply be lost.

There are clearly those who cannot or will not help themselves, and we can't help them all. As much as we want to take that sick puppy home and make it well, we're better off to work with the healthy ones, if you know what I mean. ;)

Oh ... and as far as following you into the mind of an anti .... reminds me of MASH, and the unforgetable Colonel Flagg said to Hawkeye something like 'do you follow me?' And, Hawkeye replied 'as far as I want to ...' ;)

Glad to hear you finally found an exit. ;)

Regards from AZ
 
i delivered pizza's for to long to ever trust anyones directions

(especially the home owner)

:)

thats why i always get the exact address down to the zip code and print out maps on mapquest.

but that's just me being responsible for orchestrating my own fate.

the only way to train your sister in law that i can think of, would involve feeding the gators live chickens in the back yard every day while playing Roy Orbison on the hifi.

next time sis-in-law shows up, fire up Indian Love Call and have her check out the hostas down by the lake...

make sure she has 911 on her cell phone speed dial

;)

dZ
 
Actual quotes:

"I hope someone steals your guns so that you won't shoot someone."

"If I knew someone was in a restaurant where I was eating with a concealed carry permit, I'd stab them so that they couldn't hurt anyone."
 
Jeff, I think that you might be rigth about winning over the moderate one but the super-mega one is a lost cause. By the way, <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dZ: ... make sure she has 911 on her cell phone speed dial ...[/quote]I actually worked with someone who did that. She felt that ...

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I think woodit hit it on the head. They don't want to take responsibility and if something happens to them, it's someone elses fault, not theirs. If you take responsibility for your protection and life, then you prove that you don't need to be taken care of. That people can make it on their own. They can't fathom the thought and it makes them and their whole philosophy of dependance look bad.

FUD, if you ever convert your SIL, let us know how you do it!

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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
This is also an insight into why we seem to be losing this battle. This daft woman makes a ridiculous statement, and you, instead of following your own logic and making the turn, follow the advice of this addle-brained monkey.

No offense intended FUD, but it seems that your desire to be "reasonable" only sent you and your passengers on a wild goose chase.

The inmates run the assylum because the "intelligent" people let them.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mikul: ... but it seems that your desire to be "reasonable" only sent you and your passengers on a wild goose chase ...[/quote]This trip was mostly for my other sister-in-law to look at houses that she had lined up and we just went along for the ride to offer advise, support & suggestions. The more time one sister-in-law wasted, the less time the other sister-in-law had to get everything done -- it was no skin off my nose.
 
Just put up a street sign that says guns are ok ;)

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FUD,

Whoa, does not sound like fun, glad you survived it.

Bogie,

Those were some real winners there, they seem to be of about avg. intelligence as far as anti's go, usually they're drooling by the time they get that far.
 
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