Fobus Gun Grab Video
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I had seen this video before. It appears that the "victim" is helping to push down also. I had tried this out with a friend of mine...it took ALOT of effort on his part to get the holster to separate, in fact there was much struggling etc, I could have easily given him a few elbows to the face and other types of blows...way before he was able to separate the holster. Perhaps it is just like guns...sometimes you get a lemon...as in the case of this particular one in the video.
silicon wolverine
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I have a paddle lefty for my glock 17 and as long as you wear a shirt thats long enough, no problems.
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This is one of the big problems about carrying weapons. Sometimes, when stuff goes downhill, all you accomplish by bringing a weapon to the scene is to better arm your enemy. This is why people who carry need to train!
I saw a police video on one of the news channels a few weeks ago where a guy beat up a cop in a routine traffic stop. The cop had a strong-side kydex holster for his Glock, which required that he lift his right elbow upward and behind him to draw it. All the bad guy did was get behind the cop, body check him against his own squad car, and place his hand on the back of the cop's right elbow, while delivering left-handed elbows to the back of the cop's head. The attack went on close to a minute, and the cop was completely unable to draw on the guy, because the cop couldn't lift his elbow.
So, what do we learn? Do not ever RELY on having a weapon to give you superior power over a determined assailant. Weapons are great, if you have them. But never forget that they can be taken away from you. Train in weapon retention. Train in weapon recovery. Train in weapon improvisation. And above all else, train to be able to get OUT of one of these bad situations.
Watch the video again. If the guy wearing the holster had grabbed the gun with both hands and spun around 360 degrees to his right, he could have gotten out of this. But, he would have to know how to do it, and he'd have to be able to fire off the technique quickly.
Train well.
I saw a police video on one of the news channels a few weeks ago where a guy beat up a cop in a routine traffic stop. The cop had a strong-side kydex holster for his Glock, which required that he lift his right elbow upward and behind him to draw it. All the bad guy did was get behind the cop, body check him against his own squad car, and place his hand on the back of the cop's right elbow, while delivering left-handed elbows to the back of the cop's head. The attack went on close to a minute, and the cop was completely unable to draw on the guy, because the cop couldn't lift his elbow.
So, what do we learn? Do not ever RELY on having a weapon to give you superior power over a determined assailant. Weapons are great, if you have them. But never forget that they can be taken away from you. Train in weapon retention. Train in weapon recovery. Train in weapon improvisation. And above all else, train to be able to get OUT of one of these bad situations.
Watch the video again. If the guy wearing the holster had grabbed the gun with both hands and spun around 360 degrees to his right, he could have gotten out of this. But, he would have to know how to do it, and he'd have to be able to fire off the technique quickly.
Train well.
Posted 6/22/06 by Topthis: "I had seen this video before. It appears that the "victim" is helping to push down also. I had tried this out with a friend of mine...it took ALOT of effort on his part to get the holster to separate, in fact there was much struggling etc, I could have easily given him a few elbows to the face and other types of blows...way before he was able to separate the holster. Perhaps it is just like guns...sometimes you get a lemon...as in the case of this particular one in the video.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but:
1. In every training class I've ever taken, you are taught to push the weapon down into the holster as hard as you can to keep the perp from pulling it out. So, yeah, the "victim" was "helping push down."
2. If you use your arm to deliver all those elbow strikes, you will get shot. As soon as you let go of the weapon, he pulls it out of the holster and shoots you.
3. That holster isn't a lemon. It's a typical Fobus. James Yeager LOVES to get students in his classes with Fobus holsters, and the same procedure is demonstrated. I first saw it done YEARS ago.
4. Of course, if someone REALLY LOVES his or her Fobus, and want to keep his or her head in the sand (or stuck in his or her rectum), they should keep using the Fobus.
5. Everyone else should invest $20 in an Uncle Mike, or $25 in a Blade Tech or (for the best I've found) invest $50 in a Comp-Tac. The Uncle Mike doesn't conceal any better than the Fobus (i.e. poorly), but the Blade Tech and Comp-Tac do an exceptionally good job. The added bonus of the Comp-Tac is that the paddle holsters slip off or on in 2-3 seconds, but CAN'T be removed by a perp.
BOTTOM LINE: Fobus holsters are inferior to almost every Kydex holster on the market. But they are fiercely defended by folks who (apparently) have never tried anything else.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but:
1. In every training class I've ever taken, you are taught to push the weapon down into the holster as hard as you can to keep the perp from pulling it out. So, yeah, the "victim" was "helping push down."
2. If you use your arm to deliver all those elbow strikes, you will get shot. As soon as you let go of the weapon, he pulls it out of the holster and shoots you.
3. That holster isn't a lemon. It's a typical Fobus. James Yeager LOVES to get students in his classes with Fobus holsters, and the same procedure is demonstrated. I first saw it done YEARS ago.
4. Of course, if someone REALLY LOVES his or her Fobus, and want to keep his or her head in the sand (or stuck in his or her rectum), they should keep using the Fobus.
5. Everyone else should invest $20 in an Uncle Mike, or $25 in a Blade Tech or (for the best I've found) invest $50 in a Comp-Tac. The Uncle Mike doesn't conceal any better than the Fobus (i.e. poorly), but the Blade Tech and Comp-Tac do an exceptionally good job. The added bonus of the Comp-Tac is that the paddle holsters slip off or on in 2-3 seconds, but CAN'T be removed by a perp.
BOTTOM LINE: Fobus holsters are inferior to almost every Kydex holster on the market. But they are fiercely defended by folks who (apparently) have never tried anything else.
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I got into a fight with a bad guy while wearing my duty weapon in plain view. As soon as he began to resist, I applied overwhelming force to subdue him. The gun grab video shows a large man standing by while another guy grabs his weapon. Anything can be proved wrong if one tries hard enough. I'll keep my Fobus .
I got into a fight with a bad guy while wearing my duty weapon in plain view. As soon as he began to resist, I applied overwhelming force to subdue him. The gun grab video shows a large man standing by while another guy grabs his weapon. Anything can be proved wrong if one tries hard enough. I'll keep my Fobus .
Rainbow Six
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I've never cared for Fobus. Threw all of mine in the trash a few years ago. They always seemed/felt like cheap junk to me.
I'd like to see them try that with a Blackhawk CQC Serpa paddle. I bet the guy's pants/belt would come down before the Blackhawk came apart.
As for talking about weapon retention, only those who have fought for their weapon are qualified to comment. It's easy to tell who has and who hasn't by their comments... Enough said.
I'd like to see them try that with a Blackhawk CQC Serpa paddle. I bet the guy's pants/belt would come down before the Blackhawk came apart.
As for talking about weapon retention, only those who have fought for their weapon are qualified to comment. It's easy to tell who has and who hasn't by their comments... Enough said.
Rainbow Six
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And to all who call BS... this isn't the first time this Fobus flaw has been documented...
With the paddel attached, the same thing can be done with the Blackhawk CQC. They have a bad habit of pulling the screws through the plastic.
For the monsy, the BladTec injection molded holsteris the best thing going, if you need/want a cheap holster. They are ten dollars in from Brownells,and are attached with large headed screws. Paddles are NEVER a good idea.
Fobus are complete junk, and are good for absolutely nothing. Uncle Mikes is far, far better.
For the monsy, the BladTec injection molded holsteris the best thing going, if you need/want a cheap holster. They are ten dollars in from Brownells,and are attached with large headed screws. Paddles are NEVER a good idea.
Fobus are complete junk, and are good for absolutely nothing. Uncle Mikes is far, far better.