Fl. Supreme court rules in favor for gore
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PaladinX13
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Should be noted that it was a 4-3 decision. In other words, four justices were able to ignore everything they've ever been taught about the law and take an activist role in attempting the steal the election. If Gore wins it, it will be by 4 people. Judges don't have the right to legislate....
stephen_g22
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My faith in the system is even more shattered.
Gore will find a way to steal this thing. He probably already has a few Repulbican electors in his pocket due to blackmail, bribes or something.
What a freaking mess.
Gore will find a way to steal this thing. He probably already has a few Repulbican electors in his pocket due to blackmail, bribes or something.
What a freaking mess.
I am truly amazed...But Bush has already said that he hoped he didn't have to but if they didn't rule in his favor that he is going to go back to the Supreme Court, who by my observation, still has the un-answered question of how in the hell did the Fl Supreme Court get the idea that they could change legislation all of a sudden.
I'm sure Bush's lawyers are on their way now to get their appeal filed with the U.S. Supreme Court.
I'm sure Bush's lawyers are on their way now to get their appeal filed with the U.S. Supreme Court.
gjwandkids
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December 18th.
If Gore tries anything funny, (ok that's a given) the Legislature has already said they are going to certify another slate of electors, which is their Constitutional right.
Don't give up yet.
If Gore tries anything funny, (ok that's a given) the Legislature has already said they are going to certify another slate of electors, which is their Constitutional right.
Don't give up yet.
<rant on>
I'm not surprised it happened. I am surprised there was 3 justices opposed. Here we have a clear example of an activist court. In the face of the US Supreme court the Florida court repeatedly ignored legislative law and wrote judicial law. Talk about high-handed arrogance! Remember the FL legislature holds the ultimate trump card. They can appoint their own list of electors (all done in strict accordance with the US constitution). Too bad no one in big media read either.
I think Bush will eventually win out. I also see a really silver lining to this dark cloud. For how many years have libertarians been warning of the danger of judicial legislation, "living constitutions", and what-not? Problem was those who warned were the only ones who saw it. Joe-Six pack and his wife never laid eyes on what some considered to be dangerous to our liberty. Well, there ain't no hidin'it now! Some one picked the scab right off the puss-filled wound. It out there for everyone to see and enjoy.
My guess, right after selecting the slate of electors we will see some really hardball politics take place. I expect to see either supreme court recalls or empeachments take place however Florida does it. High handed usurptation of legislative authority by a small group of appointed, unelected officials is scary as hell. This country fought war after war over this precise abuse of power. The other good news? Once Bush get keys to the WH, trial lawyers will be hunted to extinction and none too soon in my view. The fascist in this country may have just S*it in their messkits.
<rant off>
I'm not surprised it happened. I am surprised there was 3 justices opposed. Here we have a clear example of an activist court. In the face of the US Supreme court the Florida court repeatedly ignored legislative law and wrote judicial law. Talk about high-handed arrogance! Remember the FL legislature holds the ultimate trump card. They can appoint their own list of electors (all done in strict accordance with the US constitution). Too bad no one in big media read either.
I think Bush will eventually win out. I also see a really silver lining to this dark cloud. For how many years have libertarians been warning of the danger of judicial legislation, "living constitutions", and what-not? Problem was those who warned were the only ones who saw it. Joe-Six pack and his wife never laid eyes on what some considered to be dangerous to our liberty. Well, there ain't no hidin'it now! Some one picked the scab right off the puss-filled wound. It out there for everyone to see and enjoy.
My guess, right after selecting the slate of electors we will see some really hardball politics take place. I expect to see either supreme court recalls or empeachments take place however Florida does it. High handed usurptation of legislative authority by a small group of appointed, unelected officials is scary as hell. This country fought war after war over this precise abuse of power. The other good news? Once Bush get keys to the WH, trial lawyers will be hunted to extinction and none too soon in my view. The fascist in this country may have just S*it in their messkits.
<rant off>
Sigh
They have breathed life back into to the Gore effort. They do seem like Gore-lovers to me. This will MOST LIKELY result in Gore winning the entire election, assuming that "dimpled" ballots are counted, because these counties are Dem-controlled, so they will view ANY slight dimple as a Gore vote, and they only need about 600 total, correct? So if/when Gore wins, that's it - I will not recognize his legitamacy. I fear the revolution is coming in my lifetime.
They have breathed life back into to the Gore effort. They do seem like Gore-lovers to me. This will MOST LIKELY result in Gore winning the entire election, assuming that "dimpled" ballots are counted, because these counties are Dem-controlled, so they will view ANY slight dimple as a Gore vote, and they only need about 600 total, correct? So if/when Gore wins, that's it - I will not recognize his legitamacy. I fear the revolution is coming in my lifetime.
No, no, no, no
Guys, the re-count is for all the marbles - the legislature does NOT hold the trump card. Although they CAN (attempt to) select a slate of electors for the Dec 18th electoral college, such an action WILL BE overturned by the US Supreme Court, which will mean the CURRENT electoral count (without any Florida votes, one way or another) stands, which goes to Gore by a slight edge. This is because the Supreme Court ruling the other day which remanded the original certification date question back to the Fla. Supr. Ct. discussed the application of the federal constitution, which gives the power to the state legislatures - it says, in essence, IINM, that the power given to the state legislatures to decide who the electors are is not absolute; that is, if the state legislature delegates its authority to the people/popular vote, by way of the county election boards, then they must abide by that count, AND furthermore, the details of that count procedure, as laid out by the legislature, CAN BE interpreted by the state supreme court, provided that the supreme court is interpreting ONLY the words of the legislature in making this delegation of power. So, it appears that the U.S. Supreme Court, under this analysis, would reverse any attempt by the Fla. state legislature to reverse the outcome of the election as ordered by the state supreme court, because they will be deemed to have DELEGATED their authority to the people by statute, which, if ambiguous, CAN BE properly interpreted by the state supreme court. So this (playing the legislature trump card) will result in a "constitutional crisis" which will most likely result in the Presidency being taken from Bush and handed over to Gore sometime during the term, when the appeal is decided.
Guys, the re-count is for all the marbles - the legislature does NOT hold the trump card. Although they CAN (attempt to) select a slate of electors for the Dec 18th electoral college, such an action WILL BE overturned by the US Supreme Court, which will mean the CURRENT electoral count (without any Florida votes, one way or another) stands, which goes to Gore by a slight edge. This is because the Supreme Court ruling the other day which remanded the original certification date question back to the Fla. Supr. Ct. discussed the application of the federal constitution, which gives the power to the state legislatures - it says, in essence, IINM, that the power given to the state legislatures to decide who the electors are is not absolute; that is, if the state legislature delegates its authority to the people/popular vote, by way of the county election boards, then they must abide by that count, AND furthermore, the details of that count procedure, as laid out by the legislature, CAN BE interpreted by the state supreme court, provided that the supreme court is interpreting ONLY the words of the legislature in making this delegation of power. So, it appears that the U.S. Supreme Court, under this analysis, would reverse any attempt by the Fla. state legislature to reverse the outcome of the election as ordered by the state supreme court, because they will be deemed to have DELEGATED their authority to the people by statute, which, if ambiguous, CAN BE properly interpreted by the state supreme court. So this (playing the legislature trump card) will result in a "constitutional crisis" which will most likely result in the Presidency being taken from Bush and handed over to Gore sometime during the term, when the appeal is decided.
Scott Evans
Staff Alumnus
Simply amazing that these Judges believe their responsibility includes issuing orders contrary to the law.
The US Supreme Court will no doubt nullify this as well.
I think the best the Dems can hope for in all of this is to raise the intensity of the speculation, by those who do not know any better, as to the legitimacy of Bush’s victory.
Over turn the election … no way.
Be a throng of general, whiney, self centered, victims of the “conspiracy” not to count (fraudulent) votes … of course.
The US Supreme Court will no doubt nullify this as well.
I think the best the Dems can hope for in all of this is to raise the intensity of the speculation, by those who do not know any better, as to the legitimacy of Bush’s victory.
Over turn the election … no way.
Be a throng of general, whiney, self centered, victims of the “conspiracy” not to count (fraudulent) votes … of course.
buzz_knox
>>They violated their own ruling by apparently holding that even those votes which came in after the deadline should be included. These scum are useless wastes of flesh wrapped up in black robes. At least 3 had the cajones not to side with this abuse of justice.>>
Which to me is ANOTHER violation of the Leg picking the manner of choosing electors....sad.
madison
>>They violated their own ruling by apparently holding that even those votes which came in after the deadline should be included. These scum are useless wastes of flesh wrapped up in black robes. At least 3 had the cajones not to side with this abuse of justice.>>
Which to me is ANOTHER violation of the Leg picking the manner of choosing electors....sad.
madison