First Sig M17 pistols now fielded
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Model12Win
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Thank god the M9 will soon be a distant memory, a road bump in military handgun history, sandwiched between the phenomenal, legendary M1911A1 and the modern masterpiece of engineering that is the M17.
Sadly from the video there are some poor grips in the 101 (some good ones too) and with the one fella you can really see how it causes significantly more muzzle flip.
https://youtu.be/sc-pQH9GSxA
I am well aware. The article I recall was implying the Glock 17 was somehow safer.to carry than a BHP with a round chambered.
I submit it is not.
I sent mine back and Sig turned it around in less than a week. I was quite amazed.
I can't say a bad thing about how they handled it nor the service for the upgrade. I put 1000 rounds through it last week post-upgrade and it was flawless. The trigger, as someone else noted, is only better if anything.
My favorite press release comment is that the M17 is "far more lethal" than the M9.
9mm rounds now suddenly stop tanks and take down elk!
OK there are some poor grips. The teacup hold, for example.
Reminds me how useful looking at a video of your hands while shooting can be. Not looking while you're shooting, but looking a the vid of you shooting afterwards. The one fella in this vid moves his support hand after every shot. Another man just looks uncomfortable after each shot, he makes a face looks like me when I'm slightly constipated.
Good video.
I seem to recall that a part of the contract that Sig won required that ammo be developed for the guns. Sig did that. It's partly why we see Sig branded ammo out these days. I'm not sure who manufacturers it. I'm also not sure how of if it differs from other 9mm ammo in any significant way. It's made to Sigs specs. That they were ready to go with it was a factor in winning the contract.
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Model12Win
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So are "dem holler tips" as they boys on the corner say, are they going to be SI for the M17?
Model12Win
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Yes plastic pistol M17 SIG is.
Hopefully the manual safety, if used correctly, will prevent holster accidents. I really do like the P320 and the trigger is lovely, but barely any heavier than a hammer gun in SA. It really is carrying a cocked and unlocked pistol.
I honestly think the "gadget" sold for Glocks is a brilliant idea. I've never used one, but it gives you a "hammer" to hold down with your thumb when putting the gun into the holster, and it prevents the gun from firing. But it's completely passive in its operation (no levers to flick, etc.). It wouldn't work on a fully cocked striker though, so I'm guessing a thumb safety is the best way to (hopefully) prevent NDs when holstering the P320. I had an XD for about a year, and while I ended up not being crazy about the pistol itself, I always did like the grip safety. Fully cocked, good trigger pull, but has the extra insurance against user error.
Boy, I'm really rambling!
I honestly think the "gadget" sold for Glocks is a brilliant idea. I've never used one, but it gives you a "hammer" to hold down with your thumb when putting the gun into the holster, and it prevents the gun from firing. But it's completely passive in its operation (no levers to flick, etc.). It wouldn't work on a fully cocked striker though, so I'm guessing a thumb safety is the best way to (hopefully) prevent NDs when holstering the P320. I had an XD for about a year, and while I ended up not being crazy about the pistol itself, I always did like the grip safety. Fully cocked, good trigger pull, but has the extra insurance against user error.
Boy, I'm really rambling!
Mackie244Bud
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Hi all,
Interesting that the M17's and M18's in the Video have Safety's
That must have been a spec the Army wanted
I do not think that a civilian P320 is even offered with a Safety.
I also I think that the military version has a newer Trigger rather than the original version P320.
Though I am not sure if the new "Upgraded" version P320 does not now have the same trigger as the M17, M18.
It would make sense to just have ALL P320 / M17 & M18 have the same trigger assy.
Better on Sig's parts base.
Maybe someone can clarify that.
The P320 X- Five has a Straight X-Series Trigger.
Mackie244 / Bud
Interesting that the M17's and M18's in the Video have Safety's
That must have been a spec the Army wanted
I do not think that a civilian P320 is even offered with a Safety.
I also I think that the military version has a newer Trigger rather than the original version P320.
Though I am not sure if the new "Upgraded" version P320 does not now have the same trigger as the M17, M18.
It would make sense to just have ALL P320 / M17 & M18 have the same trigger assy.
Better on Sig's parts base.
Maybe someone can clarify that.
The P320 X- Five has a Straight X-Series Trigger.
Mackie244 / Bud
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There has been a thumb safety-equipped version of the 320 available for civilian sales for a while. It allows the gun to pass the "safety" tests to get on the approved sales roster in some states (*cough* Massachusetts *cough*). Plus, as noted, the 320 truly is almost like carrying a cocked single action pistol, and a thumb safety does make a lot of people more comfortable.
Also, my understanding is that the military contract pistols use a trigger that is broadly similar to the new "it's not a recall it's a voluntary product upgrade" trigger SIG is putting on the 320s. It wouldn't surprise me if the drop-safe deficiency was discovered during military acceptance testing, which would explain why it seems SIG was quietly moving to the new trigger as a production upgrade before the 'net blew up on them.
That is correct. There was no court order mandating the action by Sig, they acted voluntarily to replace and upgrade the parts in question.
Even a court-ordered recall can not force individual owners to return their product, they have to return it on their own volition (voluntarily).
It's always nice to see a company do the right thing without government involvement (subsidized by taxpayers, of course).