First Caliber? .45acp or 9mm?

deep breath... this is long...

Why .38special, Sevens? I actually just purchased a model 10 S&W in .38 and I'm super excited to take it out. Of course I'll be saving all my brass, but I wasn't thinking of starting with .38 for reloading...
Why I am glad you asked! :D
Years ago now, in this forum, we got in to a discussion when a guy starting new for the first time laid out the usual gang of popular cartridges and he asked which would be the best to start at -- also saying that he tends to shoot more 9mm than anything. (maybe because factory 9mm is the cheapest?) He said he had heard .38 Special is the best way to go and he wanted to hear if we agreed and why.

Now I had pondered this question for quite some time over the years after starting my own handloading career with it in 1988. To me, it seemed like the reasons we ever-flowing and it was high time I organized them in to a post and listing them.

Here is the bulk of that post from ~5 years ago, slightly edited


.38 Special beats every other caliber out there when it comes to the question, "which is the best for the brand new reloader to start with?"

It's been my opinion for a long time that there exists NO CALIBER in the world that is better suited to learning how to reload than the .38 Special. The following is why I think so:
  • It's a rimmed case for use in revolvers, so you will never have to consider making sure the round will feed or be compatible with a feed ramp, as you load them by hand and not mechanically as in semi-auto cartridges. Still a fine idea to chamber check some of your loaded rounds, and even this is easier than any semi-auto as you needn't feed them from a magazine and have a cocked, loaded, pointed handgun to do this (or the need to disassemble a pistol to get the barrel out) With a revolver, simply open the cylinder.
  • To further that thought, bullet setback isn't a possibility as the rounds aren't being violently shucked in to the chamber by the self-loading nature of a pistol.
  • You don't have to consider the dimensions of the magazine when setting COAL, and many/most bullets made for this caliber show you a decent bullet seating point with a crimp groove or cannelure, taking a lot of guesswork out of the picture.
  • Since Glock and HK don't make .38 Specials, so there's not much chance of non-standard polygonal rifling which isn't typically compatible with cast or swaged lead bullets.
  • The .38 Spl round isn't a short, tiny little SOB so it's not often fumbled when handling. And the larger space means there is a less radical pressure shift when your internal space is altered by the shape of a bullet or the depth to which it was seated, which can be a pretty big deal in a small case/high pressure round like 9mm or .40 S&W, both of which are EXTREMELY sensitive to COAL/internal space variances.
  • This round runs at a pretty anemic pressure (17k to 20k PSI) so it's not a high-horsepower round like some of the more modern rounds. Brass lasts a long time and is quite plentiful.
  • Brass doesn't get beat up by a racking pistol and it doesn't get chucked off in to the tall grass where you can't find it. From the cylinder to a brass bag, the handloader's dream!
  • Most often we are handloading the mild .38 Spl round in .357 Mag revolvers which are built to withstand nearly twice the pressure with EVERY shot, which gives you a ridiculous margin of safety. .357 Mag runs at around 33-34k PSI, more than 50% higher than the top pressures of .38 Spl +P. Not that you should be goofing around with MAX or over MAX loads... but if you happen to make some big error, you have a much bigger defense against trouble, damage to the gun and personal injury.
  • Unless you are building .357-hot .38 Special rounds, you aren't likely to see bullets in the other cylinders jumping under recoil, so a light roll crimp is more than enough. Less working of the case mouth and less trial and error in working with crimps -- yet you get to learn the nuances of a roll crimp.
  • Given how long the .38 Spl has been with us, load data is enormous and bullet selection is as good as any caliber in the history of the world. Options galore! Finding component brass is easy... since shooters have been emptying the stuff for a hundred-plus years. Component bullets are easy to find... nothing goofy, non-standard or hard to find here.
  • .38 Spl has a long and established history of Bullseye competition accuracy, especially with wadcutter loads. Great for a beginning handloader to work with a round that shows great accuracy the first time he rolls his own loads.

For all these reasons (and maybe some I forgot?) I really believe the .38 Special is far and away the single best caliber to learn on as a new reloader. I can't imagine any other with all these "features" that make it ideal as one to learn on.

Any round you can compare it to will fall short somewhere else.

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Now, that was my argument 5 years ago and I don't see a lot that has changed. In your specific situation, you won't be loading for a .357 Magnum -- however a modern, post 1957-built Smith & Wesson K-frame is spec'd for and happily digests even +P .38 Special, and there is nothing whatsoever (in any way!) weak about the cylinder steel in a Model 10 or any K-frame Smith & Wesson. You have very nearly the perfect platform for handloaded .38 Special in a S&W Model 10. I have a handful of K-frame .38's and they are my favorite revolver for certain.
 
Very informative! Thank you! I will consider adding .38special sooner now. I want to take out my model 10 and see how much fun it is.
 
That is correct. I will be buying a Springfield Mil-Spec within the next several months unless I purchase reloading gear for 9mm first.

In that case I say start with 9mm .

How ever just to make things harder for you I have this little gift for you

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To further that thought, bullet setback isn't a possibility as the rounds aren't being violently shucked in to the chamber by the self-loading nature of a pistol.

This is a good point , specifically to this thread and the OP's intended 45 as well . My Springfield 1911 will set back a bullet ( 200gr XTP ) .005 when chambering the round , how ever my XD45 compact does not when using the exact same load , bullet , case and crimp . Keep that kind of thing in mind if you plan to shoot your reloads in multiple firearms . Make sure they work in both correctly . Don't just assume if safe in one it's GTG in all .
 
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Appreciate the backer, Metal god and fantastic picture. Both the pistol and the group are extremely handsome.

I do want to say however that while the point about setback is extremely important and needs to be learned, explored and always kept in mind... we are working with a brand new handloader and I don't want him (or, well anyone) to get the idea that 0.005" is scary or disastrous at the load bench.

It is "noteworthy" and it is absolutely something to keep an eye on and learn to work with -- but it is not a dealbreaker. There is a tolerance range that we will obviously be working within here when making handloads and one VERY good way to get comfortable with working inside a safe tolerance range is to grab a handful of factory ammo and sit down with a dial or digital caliper and see how well the big ammo manufacturers are getting this done.

At my bench, I want to see a range of .003" (or less) either direction. And with some bullets (and some brass) I will at time see a range of .005" and I will NOT discard those, as long as I have all my checks done and I'm doing my level best to make consistent ammo. I would reject a .010" variance due to my own expectations.

But it's important to note that even a .010" variance isn't likely to show any catastrophic or radical change in pressure, even in a tiny case/high pressure round like 9mm.

Just to ensure that I'm passing along solid information (keeping in mind that I am stating NO hard & fast facts, merely my own ideas and observations...), I went ahead and did some measuring of the admittedly few boxes of factory ammo on hand.

9mm Gold Dot (premium defense ammo, roughly a dollar a round) impressed me with a variance around 0.002" across 15 rounds from a fresh box.

9mm Federal HST (also top of the line, expensive defense ammo) showed me a solid 0.004" variance across even more rounds from a fresh box.

Hornady 10mm 180gr XTP from a 20-rd (expensive!) box returned impressive 0.002" variance.

An old box of .45cal Winchester Silvertip from the late 80's was also impressive with only a .003" variance.

Win White Box .38 Special quite easily showed a 0.010" variance in a box. And I would very honestly expect to see a similar range from any "range fodder" ammo such as Blazer Brass, Rem-UMC, Federal American Eagle, Megtech, S&B, etc etc. Unfortunately... my range fodder is always going to be handloads. ;) And while my COAL acceptable range cnotinues to sit around 0.005", I can happily demonstrate that my handloads in my guns will outshoot factory big-name manufactured base line range fodder. WWB, Blazer Brass and American Eagle simply won't keep up with what I can do in my own handguns as does my ammo.



I only wish I could measure more of them
 
"...the savings is just a perk..." Good for you. More of a bonus though. snicker.
Really doesn't make much difference. The reality is that one is just bigger than the other. Loading techniques are the same. Your choice will be about which one you shoot most.
"...If you are 65, wear a plaid shirt, and drive a pickup truck, the 45acp is..." 62 next month, have a plaid shirt that doesn't fit and a pick up, but I shoot whatever I feel like. Nyah! snicker. Must admit I prefer my Colt over the Inglis. The Clot shoots better. snicker.
 
In my experience 9MMP handguns are more selective with lead bullets-my Browning HP and Star Model B shoot them fine, my S&W M659 much more finicky. IIRC the 9MMP case has a slight taper, keep and eye on that. Both rounds headspace on the rim, hence case mouth flaring and crimp are critical.
 
Slight topic drift

I will be buying a Springfield Mil-Spec

I just bought one about a month ago - my third 1911 (Colt and Kimber are the others).

I've only put 266 rounds of Winchester White Box through it so far (133 rounds, times two shooting sessions); as it is currently in the break in process. But so far, it has functioned flawlessly. I love the short "combat trigger;" and of course, the trigger feels really sweet - just like every Springfield I've ever fired.

The plan is, once it is broke in and I'm confident in its reliability with defense ammo, it'll be my nightstand gun.

I'm a big fan of Springfield guns. So far, every Springfield I have ever fired has been a real pleasure (two 1911's, one XD 45, & one XD 9mm).

So you get a recommendation from me regarding the purchase of a SA Mil-Spec.
 
FWIW . My XD9 is the only firearm ( hand gun or rifle ) I've ever owned in the 25 years I started owning guns that has never had a malfunction of any kind . That's well in excess of 2500rds . It's my test gun for reloads and even all of those have went bang so far . At some point I'm sure I'll hand load something that will fail to function the XD9 but haven't yet .

My 1911 is still new-ish , just bought it last year new and now under 800rds through it . All have worked in it as well but not as many different brands of ammo or reloads through it as the XD .

The plan is, once it is broke in and I'm confident in its reliability with defense ammo, it'll be my nightstand gun.

I , as I'm sure you have all kinds of firearms that would do quite nicely for SD/HD . I how ever can't get past the fact my XD9 has preformed so reliably over the years . It's my go to firearm in all things SD/HD and likely stay that way for a long time to come .
 
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I'm sure you have all kinds of firearms that would do quite nicely for SD/HD.

I do. My current "nightstand" gun (it's actually locked in a wall-mounted "gun vault") is a Glock 20sf (10mm). It's a reliable piece. It serves its purpose plenty well. But no gun feels better in my hand than a 1911. And I prefer the 45 ACP for home defense. It discharges with a lower pitch that's slightly less punishing on the ears. And it's a big fat slug that tends to be effective - at least I have confidence in it. BTW, if I slept with ear plugs, as the hard-core revolver guy that I am, my nightstand gun would be a 686 357 Magnum. But they're just too loud for home defense. Revolvers in general are louder, with their pesky barrel/cylinder gap. Not to mention the side flash.

I however can't get past the fact my XD9 has preformed so reliably over the years.

My primary carry piece - a Kahr CW9 is much the same way. I too have about 2500 rounds through it and not one FTE, FTF, etc. It has cycled every round I've put through it - even lead SWC's.
 
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