Fiocchi Brass any good?

GFL data

Here is the data I gathered.
I took the heaviest case at 100.3 gr (sized & de-capped)
Measured long at 1.761"
Inserted spent primer packed with paraffin wax to fill around the anvil = 103.6 gr
Added distilled water, removed meniscus = 133.4 gr
Room temp = 69 & 70.7 degrees F on two different thermometers

I'll let Uncle Nick or anyone else do the calculations. Is there any other info you would like? More samples ???
 
The capacity of that case, after allowing for water temperature, came to 29.86 grains water overflow capacity at 39°F, where the capacity in cc's is figured for European units. If I reduce the length by neck trimming from 1.761" to 1.750" standard trim-to length, the capacity reduces to 29.75 grains water overflow capacity. I rounded that up to 29.8 grains water and added it into the data on the 6mmBR.com page, for which cases were also trimmed to 1.750" length.

I then ran the usual stats and got:

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The last number shows that the correlation between between brass weight variance and water overflow capacity variance is only 75%, meaning the brass weight change needed to change water weight is only 6.51 to 1, when the density ratio would be 8.53:1 for 70:30 brass. If the match were perfect, the last number would be 100%. Well, we already know this isn't all 70:30 brass, so a perfect 100% isn't in the cards, but the density difference alone doesn't account for how far off it is. Muntz metal (62:38 brass) density is 8.39 gm/cc. 80:20 (low brass) density is 8.66 gm/cc. Nothing about either gets us down to 6.51 gm/cc, which is where it would have to be for constant outside dimensioned brass to show only a 75% proportionality. Also, I didn't adjust the 6mmBR numbers for likely water density error due to temperature (I should go back and do that, but this is going to be under a tenth of a grain of water capacity, so it won't change things much). Anyway, this all shows the low 75% proportionality is mainly caused by case dimensional differences.

That said, if you look at a scatter plot of case weight v. capacity, you see all the data points lie fairly close to the trendline except the two very heavy ones, the PMP and the old Lapua cases from the 6mmBR.com data. One has more capacity than expected if the external dimensions were identical and the other has less. This has to be due to how wide or narrow the heads were made and how shallow the or steep the extractor groove angle was.

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So, I reran the numbers with those two heavy cases left out of the data. That resulted in better average behavior, with the ratio of the weight SD's to capacity SD's just over the ideal 100% and, at 9.01, close to equaling the difference in 70:30 brass density and water density (8.53). The fact the number is a little high is partly random dimensional difference and partly that more case brands are made from low brass than from Muntz metal, so the average density is a little higher than the 8.53 gm/cc of 70:30 brass.

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Plotting these:

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The 95% confidence limits were ±0.309 grains water overflow capacity. What this means in this case is that predictions of case water overflow capacity based on weight using the least squares line formula will be within ±0.309 grains 95% of the time, or 19 times out of 20. That's not too bad. If I include the two very heavy cases, that number jumps to ±0.75 grains, as those two disturb the confidence level.

The formula for the least squares fit in that last plot was:

Water Overflow Capacity = –0.0872 × (Brass Weight in grains) + 38.48 grains​

Try it out on other .223 Remington or 5.56 NATO cases you may have and see how close it comes.

What I think this all means is that most manufacturers are, today, observing pretty consistent and similar external dimensions, new Lapua brass included. Old Lapua can be discerned by its high weight. PMP, I don't know about in terms of old or new, but, again, weight will tell you. The Fiocchi brass fell right in line with the other modern brass based on its weight. With that established, you can follow the old rule of 0.06 grains change in powder charge for each 1.00 grain change in brass weight to keep constant peak pressure. With Fiocchi brass about 5 grains heavier than average, you could reduce charges about 0.3 grains with it to keep constant peak pressure. From many measures that falls withing dispensing precision limits.
 
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I will reload them. I was interrupted in composing before and the attachment manager disappeared. It's possible their only showing up on my machine. Give me ten minutes and go back and look again.

P.S. OK. I see the problem. I got four images loaded (only three allowed) between the disappeared and not disappeared attachment manager. I'll host them at Image Shack to get around this.
 
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Well I just got done replacing the third deprimer for 223 . All GFL brass,then I noticed that the flash hole wasn't centered. One was square,1015 were VERY close to the edge and 40-50 were off enough that I wont try to reload them. Guess if your just shooting them and not reloading they aren't bad but as far as reloading I'll be looking out for them!
 
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I've been reloading some fiocchi a friend gave me, every 4 reloads I've been annealing it and I'm in 9th reload of this stuff. It seems to be excellent brass, I even bought 500 rounds of 308 fiocchi in 150gr bullets dirt cheap just so I could have the brass.
 
MJ Flores wrote:
Fiocchi brass (stamped GFL) any good?

I have GFL headstamp brass among both my 223 and 9mm cases. I haven't noticed it being any different from the other headstamps that I have.

It's kind of a 223 of one, 556 of another sort of thing. ;)
 
Well, it's an old thread...maybe Fiocchi got their act together


well as far as .223 they don't seem to have gotten any better since this thread was made. I bought a tub of 240 loaded .223 a few months back to break in a new AR that I had put together. It had some minor leakage issues on the gas block and I was looking for a easy fix. A friend recommended I shoot some Fiocchi through it because Fiocchi is known to be a dirty shooter and would help seal the gas block. It worked like a champ and within 50 rounds the gun was cycling perfectly.

I reloaded it this week after burning through my AR stash but I doubt I will push it through more than 2 or 3 reloadings. I will be keeping a close eye on the primer pockets and the flash holes are all over the place. It's works as spray and pray fodder but I would not buy any unfired new brass made by them, nor would I dig around in the weeds to find any of the fired stuff
 
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