Finished Coulter's How to talk to a liberal

Just finished listening to an Colter's audiobook "How to talk to a liberal."

There were couple of excellent essays/talking points in the book covering issues such as campaign finances reform and drug legalization. It was excellent in that it made me think, although not necessarily agree with her.

One problem I have with her writing is that quite often, her writing is too condensed without going into background history. For example, she would try to cover constitutional history of Roe vs. Wade (it evolved from a court decision regarding right of couples to contraceptives) in 2 sentences.

I suspect Colter have some level of graduate and possibly, post-graduate education.

--John
 
http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/content.cgi?name=bio said:
A Connecticut native, Coulter graduated with honors from Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences, and received her J.D. from University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review.

She seems to be a sharp lady, though some of the things she says run a chill up my spine.
 
I find it very annoying to talk to liberals,all they can accept is "their" way.I should read the book I guess.
 
There is something to be said for the woman...

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find it very annoying to talk to liberals and conservatives,all they can accept is "their" way.

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+1 Te Anau, The only thing that annoys me more is a liberal that tries to repackage themself as an independent.

Thats a great pic gc70!
 
When Ann Coulter first arrived on the scene, I was a big fan of hers. She said things that were both hilarious and outrageous.

The problem with relying on a schtick that's outrageous is that you must become ever more outrageous, or your career plummets.

Lately, when I see her on talk shows, she seems to be far over the edge.
 
I have all her previous books , just picked up godless . I don't like everything she says and does but I have to say her liberal critics just cast rocks at her character , not her facts .
 
"I suspect Colter have some level of graduate and possibly, post-graduate education."

The lady is a Lawyer. So now you can understand the verbal activities in which she indulges.

Geoff
Who doesn't like undernourished women, but I'd love to buy her a steak dinner. :D
 
I don't like everything she says and does but I have to say her liberal critics just cast rocks at her character , not her facts.

Okay, then this conservative critic will have to cast rocks at her "facts".

Let's start with this gem:

There is no reason to expect, for example, that the first place our eyes ever appeared was on the front of our faces. Why don’t we have ancestors with eyes on the bottom of their feet, on their arms, or on top of their heads? Eyes might be best positioned in the front of our heads, but eyes on the bottom of our feet are better than no eyes all, and so should have stuck around at least for a while in the fossil record. But they’re not there. -- Godless

Clearly, Coulter is blissfully ignorant of the fact that a starfish has its "eyes" located at the ends of its arms, and has had them there for the last 450 million years or so.

Then there's this nugget:

The evolutionists' proof is their capacity to concoct a story. They say the whale “evolved” when a bear fell into the ocean. -- Godless

First off, no evolutionary biologist in 2006 says any such thing, and I'll fork over $100 to the first person on this board who sends me a reference to a peer-reviewed journal article in the field of evolutionary biology from this century that contends any such thing. Most likely, Coulter is deliberately misrepresenting an overly speculative (and subsequently retracted) passage from Origin of Species about how a whale-like species might evolve over time from environmental pressures by way of the mechanism of natural selection:

In North America the black bear was seen by Hearne swimming for hours with widely open mouth, thus catching, like a whale, insects in the water. Even in so extreme a case as this, if the supply of insects were constant, and if better adapted competitors did not already exist in the country, I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale. – Charles Darwin, Origin, ch. 6

Now, given its context within Origin, it should be obvious to anyone not suffering from a reading comprehension problem or an intention to misrepresent that Darwin was not suggesting that an individual bear would be miraculously transformed into a whale simply be virtue of falling into the ocean. To ascribe that meaning to the passage is to reveal either severe intellectual limitations or a sincere desire to mislead. Since Coulter's educational background suggests she is far from an imbecile, one must conclude that the latter holds true. It is bad enough that she bases her crticisms of modern evolutionary theory on a 150 year old source, it's worse that she can't even do so honestly and must create a straw man. Given that Darwin was quite off base with this speculation, she would have done better criticizing the passage on its merits. She would have been recharting territory that was already surveyed by 1859, but at least she would have been honest and could then have gone on to dismantle various theories about ether and phlogiston.

Then there's this:

Continuing its tradition of helping the poor and enslaved, in 1986 the State Department Informed African nations that the United Slates would no longer provide aid to countries using DDT -- Godless

As far as I have been able to determine, no one has yet figured out where this comes from. If someone knows, please post the cite. At this moment, it appears that Ann once again is "confused" and that what she is referring to here is a 1986 telegram from George Schultz to US embassies instructing them to inform African governments that the US would not participate in programs using DDT, not that the US would cut off aid. It would seem that in Ms. Coulter's mind, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State was a Godless liberal. As for cutting off aid to countries using DDT, this might come as a surprise to Swaziland, which did not discontinue the use of DDT (http://www.malaria.org/DDTEconomist14_XII_00.html) and continued to receive US aid into the 90s (http://www.census.gov/prod/2/gen/96statab/inttrade.pdf).

Of course, the DDT argument may be academic anyway. DDT resistance is already appearing in South African mosquitoes (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...e&db=PubMed&list_uids=14651656&dopt=Abstract). But then again, Ann doesn't believe in evolution, so she probably has discounted this in her equation.
 
I suspect Colter have some level of graduate and possibly, post-graduate education.
She is a graduate of Cornell Univ. and Univ. of Michigan law school and was a practicing attorney for a time. From her website -
Coulter clerked for the Honorable Pasco Bowman II of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit and was an attorney in the Department of Justice Honors Program for outstanding law school graduates.

After practicing law in private practice in New York City, Coulter worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee, where she handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan. From there, she became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights in Washington, DC, a public interest law firm dedicated to the defense of individual rights with particular emphasis on freedom of speech, civil rights, and the free exercise of religion.

A Connecticut native, Coulter graduated with honors from Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences, and received her J.D. from University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review.
She may be irritating to some, but clearly the lady is no dummy.
 
Most likely, Coulter is deliberately misrepresenting ...(snip)... the mechanism of natural selection:
I flipped through one of her books at Books A Million this weekend and read her discussion about evolution. I think that if there was one single thing which could make me into a godless liberal it is this specific nonsense. The quote from St. Augustine posted on Wikipedia's Creationism entry sums it up:

In his work The Literal Meaning of Genesis (De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim), Saint Augustine (354-430), embarrassed by Christians who would not accept this implication of the Doctrine of Creation, wrote against them. This translation is by J. H. Taylor in Ancient Christian Writers, Newman Press, 1982, volume 41.

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, [..] and this knowledge he holds as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism
 
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You don't know what evolution is, then. Sorry, it really is that simple. then what is mutation

Evolution is defined informally as "descent with modification", or more formally as a change of gene frequency within a population, both of which definitions apply perfectly to the development of DDT resistance in an insect population. Mutation is a change in a DNA sequence usually occurring because of errors in replication or repair and is one of the mechanisms of evolution. "Adaptation" is merely a facet of evolution. You don't get any heritable genetic adaptations in a population absent evolution.

It is important not to confuse the observable phenomenon of evolution with the Theory of Evolution, which is the same as confusing the observable phenomenon of gravity with the Theory of Gravitation.

Coulter's problem is that she relies entirely (or close to it) on secondary, agenda-driven sources (mostly Dembski, I think) on the subject without ever doing much if any investigation of the primary sources or data, so she ends up interpreting an already skewed set of sources through her own political filters, the result being that she ends up with an absolute intellectual disaster area when she tries to address subjects outside her range of expertise. What's worse is that I'm pretty sure given her legal training that she knows better and just doesn't give a damn as long as she makes her political point. I don't like having people like that becoming the standard bearers of Conservatism as it paints all Conservatives with a brush of dishonesty and lack of intellectual rigor.
 
Coulter's problem is that she relies entirely (or close to it) on secondary, agenda-driven sources (mostly Dembski, I think) on the subject without ever doing much if any investigation of the primary sources or data, so she ends up interpreting an already skewed set of sources through her own political filters, the result being that she ends up with an absolute intellectual disaster area when she tries to address subjects outside her range of expertise. What's worse is that I'm pretty sure given her legal training that she knows better and just doesn't give a damn as long as she makes her political point. I don't like having people like that becoming the standard bearers of Conservatism as it paints all Conservatives with a brush of dishonesty and lack of intellectual rigor.
To be honest she's using the same flavor of junk science that Al Gore is for his global warming fiasco.
 
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