Thinking out side the box. I just ordered one of these. My brother has one and it’s loud as Hell. Plus there is no monthly fee, and will call up to 6 out side numbers. A vest or fortified wall only works if you have time to get it on or get behind it, remember Murphy’s law. http://www.homesecuritystore.com/ezStore123/DTProductZoom.asp?productID=1164
Finding Cover in the Home
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GetYerShells
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I am not really sure if there is any right or wrong answer here. Just looking around my room, I see nothing that is going to stop a bullet. I have things that will slow down a bullet but not stop one from penetrating. If my home was to be invaded I think my best solution is to hole up in the master bedroom, have my wife call the police, find what cover/concealment I can and wait for them to show up.
Cheetah-lagra
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Cover against sight.
Not only can one take cover against projectiles, but against sight as well.
The problem with this — sometimes — can be that you loose sight of
your attacker, too. Rooms have dark corners and, depend on the situation;
you can use that to begin a surprise attack — don’t move to the dark if
the attacker is watching.
Not only can one take cover against projectiles, but against sight as well.
The problem with this — sometimes — can be that you loose sight of
your attacker, too. Rooms have dark corners and, depend on the situation;
you can use that to begin a surprise attack — don’t move to the dark if
the attacker is watching.
It's good to think about this problem before it's needed.
My thought is to make up movable "panels", made of a square (48") of 3/4" plywood. Imagine the first square, then framed with 2 X 3's around the perimeter, topped off with the second piece, like a shallow box. Stands upright and is filled with sand. Would be placed in the likely lanes of fire. I choose 2 X 3's because using 2 X 4's make a bigger box with much more sand in between. Probably would weigh about 300 - 350 pounds. In combination with other objects in the room the panel should provide suitable protection.
It's funny, I've been thinking about this need and now it turns up on the forum.
My thought is to make up movable "panels", made of a square (48") of 3/4" plywood. Imagine the first square, then framed with 2 X 3's around the perimeter, topped off with the second piece, like a shallow box. Stands upright and is filled with sand. Would be placed in the likely lanes of fire. I choose 2 X 3's because using 2 X 4's make a bigger box with much more sand in between. Probably would weigh about 300 - 350 pounds. In combination with other objects in the room the panel should provide suitable protection.
It's funny, I've been thinking about this need and now it turns up on the forum.
So far I really like the sand bag/wall idea... If you found a way to segregate the sand into smaller units, potential for sand loss into the domicile would be mitigated pretty well. I won't pretend to know enough about construction to address the moisture issue. Unfortunately, I live in an apartment. I think the best, cheap thing to do is to place your bookshelves in locations where you anticipate fire or where you opposite from where you would be standing. Having read this thread I think I will try to find a good sized trunk or footlocker I can fill with phone books and blankets (maybe even something practical!) to use as a firing position...anything helps when rounds are incoming.
If I had a home, I would certainly want a "safe room", and would try to use the sand bag idea, re-enforced door, secure communications (something that can't be 'cut' or similarly disabled a la cell phone jammer). We have an awesome walk-in closet in this apartment that would work well for the purpose... but it's not one of the 'rooms' that I decorate and it's so full of stuff it's hard to move around in there.
If I had a home, I would certainly want a "safe room", and would try to use the sand bag idea, re-enforced door, secure communications (something that can't be 'cut' or similarly disabled a la cell phone jammer). We have an awesome walk-in closet in this apartment that would work well for the purpose... but it's not one of the 'rooms' that I decorate and it's so full of stuff it's hard to move around in there.
I have lived in homes with interior log walls (log homes) and interior rock walls/river rock and masonry stone (real rock not fake). Both full height and half height divider walls.
I feel pretty confident that either of these two options would be more than adequate.
Part of the problem is that builders for quite some time tend to use the cheapest and quickest materials at hand, i.e. sheetrock.
I would say dogs are the solution to this question. Early warning devices and deterrent. You can shore up your house all you want, but most BGs are not too interested in messing with dogs; and if they are, you just may be in for a run for your money.
I prefer to keep the threat out of my home all together to begin with, and dogs seem to fit the bill nicely; but if a new home improvement project is a must: stone, rock or log walls.
I feel pretty confident that either of these two options would be more than adequate.
Part of the problem is that builders for quite some time tend to use the cheapest and quickest materials at hand, i.e. sheetrock.
I would say dogs are the solution to this question. Early warning devices and deterrent. You can shore up your house all you want, but most BGs are not too interested in messing with dogs; and if they are, you just may be in for a run for your money.
I prefer to keep the threat out of my home all together to begin with, and dogs seem to fit the bill nicely; but if a new home improvement project is a must: stone, rock or log walls.
A walk-in closet would be a nice place to hole-up. Especially if you stored some books/papers/hardwood storage in there.
For household items, I'd say hardwood furniture, books, and waterbeds would be fairly bullet resistant (bonus if you can combine more than one). Bookshelves give the added bonus of being useful for storage of all those books you just bought. Education AND protection!
For household items, I'd say hardwood furniture, books, and waterbeds would be fairly bullet resistant (bonus if you can combine more than one). Bookshelves give the added bonus of being useful for storage of all those books you just bought. Education AND protection!
Old Wanderer
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While all the people posting on this and similar threads, 100% of the focus has been on HD in the case of a few people coming into the home.
Twice in my life (while in the USA) I have been right in the middle of Anarchy. 1965 Watts Riots, and 1992 Korea Town Los Angeles Roddney King riots.
Here you had really masses of people into looting and just general destruction. Seed like LEO were more interested in arresting shop owner trying to protect their property, than the looters. There was no one to call.
The $64 question will always be:
1. How to defend, and the appropriate level of force to use against large groups of mostly unarmed people, included "children".
2. How to shield yourself from harm.
3. What do you use as defense.
) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MEqZBAu0Vo
When this descends on you, there is no advance warning to prepare. You have what you have. In '65 I had a 25/06 rifle and 12 cartridges, I used 1 to shoot a Molotov Cocktail just before it was thrown at my building. In 92 I had a 45 and 2 7 round clips. I used 2 rounds aimed at a foot each time. Both totally discouraged further advances by large groups. The option of just treating them like zombies may work, but when order is restored, you will have a long time to consider better alternatives, compliments of your government.
I was totally exposed had I had any serious armed opposition, and still do not have the answer for my home, but thinking about sand bags (smaller one, easy to move into a bunker position, and just build a storage box to keep them in.
Twice in my life (while in the USA) I have been right in the middle of Anarchy. 1965 Watts Riots, and 1992 Korea Town Los Angeles Roddney King riots.
Here you had really masses of people into looting and just general destruction. Seed like LEO were more interested in arresting shop owner trying to protect their property, than the looters. There was no one to call.
The $64 question will always be:
1. How to defend, and the appropriate level of force to use against large groups of mostly unarmed people, included "children".
2. How to shield yourself from harm.
3. What do you use as defense.
) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MEqZBAu0Vo
When this descends on you, there is no advance warning to prepare. You have what you have. In '65 I had a 25/06 rifle and 12 cartridges, I used 1 to shoot a Molotov Cocktail just before it was thrown at my building. In 92 I had a 45 and 2 7 round clips. I used 2 rounds aimed at a foot each time. Both totally discouraged further advances by large groups. The option of just treating them like zombies may work, but when order is restored, you will have a long time to consider better alternatives, compliments of your government.
I was totally exposed had I had any serious armed opposition, and still do not have the answer for my home, but thinking about sand bags (smaller one, easy to move into a bunker position, and just build a storage box to keep them in.