Filling out the census
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Tony111, TITLE 13 - CENSUS www.uscode.house.gov/usc.htm
CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS
-HEAD-
Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
-STATUTE-
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or
willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any
other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce
or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the
Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his
knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in
connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I,
II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to
the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or
farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not
more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a)
of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances
described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is
false, shall be fined not more than $500.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person
shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his
religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.
-SOURCE-
(Aug. 31, 1954, ch. 1158, 68 Stat. 1023; Pub. L. 85-207, Sec. 15,
Aug. 28, 1957, 71 Stat. 484; Pub. L. 94-521, Sec. 13, Oct. 17,
1976, 90 Stat. 2465.)
-MISC1-
CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS
-HEAD-
Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
-STATUTE-
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or
willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any
other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce
or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the
Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his
knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in
connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I,
II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to
the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or
farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not
more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a)
of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances
described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is
false, shall be fined not more than $500.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person
shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his
religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.
-SOURCE-
(Aug. 31, 1954, ch. 1158, 68 Stat. 1023; Pub. L. 85-207, Sec. 15,
Aug. 28, 1957, 71 Stat. 484; Pub. L. 94-521, Sec. 13, Oct. 17,
1976, 90 Stat. 2465.)
-MISC1-
Dennis Olson
New member
Just got the census today. 38 pages, BUT it's duplicated for the first SIX people in the house. Now, is that the LONG one or the SHORT one?
hoosierboy
New member
dennis that is the long form. Mine was 3 pages. By the way I filled mine out over the web by going to www.census.gov. I answered only the first question which was 2. I left the others blank. Even though I only filled out the one question it went through. As one perosn said they will send in the $100 fine, because his privacy is worth a lot more.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Grayfox:
$100 for not answering the questions, eh?
My privacy is worth that, so bill me.
[/quote]
I posted the satute because that is the law. Now, as a group we got lawyers, and money, and guns. Forget the guns for now. Lets' deal with the money. Anybody on this forum who gets prosecuted, evened threatened, by doing what they think is right on this deal has backup. We both may deny the info, but only one gets nailed. Hey, I'll pay my support to anyone here who is "abused". Please think of me too
.
I would rather pay your fine than give up mine.
Long forms first. They will get audited first. I got one. I will not comply. Here we go....
$100 for not answering the questions, eh?
My privacy is worth that, so bill me.
[/quote]
I posted the satute because that is the law. Now, as a group we got lawyers, and money, and guns. Forget the guns for now. Lets' deal with the money. Anybody on this forum who gets prosecuted, evened threatened, by doing what they think is right on this deal has backup. We both may deny the info, but only one gets nailed. Hey, I'll pay my support to anyone here who is "abused". Please think of me too
.I would rather pay your fine than give up mine.
Long forms first. They will get audited first. I got one. I will not comply. Here we go....
Unfortunately for those of us concerned about our privacy, the text of Article I, Section 2, paragraph 2 includes:
"...The actual enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent term of ten years, IN SUCH MANNER AS THEY SHALL BY LAW DIRECT." (emphasis added)
Seems like the Congress has the Constitutional authority to ask whatever they shall damn well please.
I wonder if I'll be fined for answering "American" to all the race related questions.
"...The actual enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent term of ten years, IN SUCH MANNER AS THEY SHALL BY LAW DIRECT." (emphasis added)
Seems like the Congress has the Constitutional authority to ask whatever they shall damn well please.
I wonder if I'll be fined for answering "American" to all the race related questions.
Checked the mail today, Lo and behold-
short form in my box, long form in the
brother-in-law's box.
Them's the breaks.
Contempt and fines aside, we're big on
NASCAR here in the South, and I'm wondering
if they'll take Winston Cup in the Race box...
pack_rat
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My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about.
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law...
Music by Lee and Lifeson/Lyrics by Peart
short form in my box, long form in the
brother-in-law's box.
Them's the breaks.Contempt and fines aside, we're big on
NASCAR here in the South, and I'm wondering
if they'll take Winston Cup in the Race box...
pack_rat
--------
My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about.
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law...
Music by Lee and Lifeson/Lyrics by Peart
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FlintLock:
The first census was taken in 1790 and Congress decreed that a census be taken every 10 years. Today its primary purpose is to chart population growth in each part of the country to see where federal tax dollars will be spent, and to determine the number of representatives each state will have in the U.S. House of Representatives. [/quote]
This is the reason to fill out the numbers of people who live in the household. Your area will get the federal money to build roads, etc., based on the number of people who live in the area as reflected in the census results. As for the rest, maybe we should tell them we're all Eskimos or Latvians.
(No offense is intended to any Eskimos or Latvians
.)
The first census was taken in 1790 and Congress decreed that a census be taken every 10 years. Today its primary purpose is to chart population growth in each part of the country to see where federal tax dollars will be spent, and to determine the number of representatives each state will have in the U.S. House of Representatives. [/quote]
This is the reason to fill out the numbers of people who live in the household. Your area will get the federal money to build roads, etc., based on the number of people who live in the area as reflected in the census results. As for the rest, maybe we should tell them we're all Eskimos or Latvians.
(No offense is intended to any Eskimos or Latvians
.)dwlsharpe:
While I would agree with your reading of the Constitution (enumeration=counting), Congress has apparently decided that enumeration=description & identification, as well.
The reason information about one's age and race (as well as height, weight, hair and eye color, etc.) is required on, for example, a state driver's license, is for identification of the licensee.
The extraneous questions on the census form should be viewed as an attempt to IDENTIFY as well as count the residents; to what end I don't know, but let the conspiracy theories fly!
At least they didn't demand everyone's SSN, as they do on the income tax forms.
While I would agree with your reading of the Constitution (enumeration=counting), Congress has apparently decided that enumeration=description & identification, as well.
The reason information about one's age and race (as well as height, weight, hair and eye color, etc.) is required on, for example, a state driver's license, is for identification of the licensee.
The extraneous questions on the census form should be viewed as an attempt to IDENTIFY as well as count the residents; to what end I don't know, but let the conspiracy theories fly!
At least they didn't demand everyone's SSN, as they do on the income tax forms.
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
I did - took less than 5 minutes... You guys didnt know I was Samoan? Yeah - thats why that Tongan jumped me a few months back...