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Please; somebody explain it to me.

Bush is on the right side of every issue identified as important to the public. So, WHY is his well-funded campaign utterly incompetent?

He has dropped into a posture of simply responding to Gore's lies, and not doing a good job of that, either. He has let Gore set the entire agenda and the entire tone of the campaign. Every time Gore makes a promise that, on its face is ridiculous or evil, Bush simply replies that his plan isn't quite so bad. Pitiful.

How could a man be elected governor of Texas, and have a huge, well-funded campaign staffed by experienced people, and be such an utter doofus, losing an 18 point lead and dropping behind a professional socialist and liar?

Please, please ... SOMEBODY explain this to me.
 
I'd like to know too. And what's with this idiotic add campaign with the word "RATS" in the background???? Why his highly paid Advetising company felt it necessary to do that is beyond me. :rolleyes:

CMOS

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CMOS:
I'd like to know too. And what's with this idiotic add campaign with the word "RATS" in the background???? Why his highly paid Advetising company felt it necessary to do that is beyond me. :rolleyes:

CMOS

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CMOS, the word was actually "bureaucrats" - part of a sign saying "The Gore prescription plan: bureaucrats decide." - and at some point during the commercial, the "bureauc" was blocked leaving the words "rats" visible for 1/30th of a second.

This is just Gore looking for a diversionary issue to keep heat on Bush and distract attention from his own problems (campaign finance? Hollywood and violence?)

Here is the Slate commentary on it with links to the full speed video and a slowed down version.
http://politics.slate.msn.com/politics/default.asp
 
BR - thanks for that info.

CMOS

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The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
From looking at the footage, someone was animating the word bureaucrat in 3d in an S pattern, including the axis into the screen.

THEN, someone just sped it up, to where you only saw a few frames of the word's movement.

And it just happened to stop with bureau blocked out.


Battler.
 
Makes me maddernhell. I already posted this, but I was so angry, I got up early this morning and wizzed off a email to the Bush campaign.
Algore promises to enslave the future generations to pay for prescriptions for folks who didn't prepare for retirement, or just want more money for country club memberships.
Instead of Dubya calling it pitiful, and a disgrace, he jumps on the bandwagon with his own plan to rape the younger generations.
I actually got excited when he picked Dick. Mr. Cheney's record in Congress is a shining example of virtue in a cesspool of corruption and socialism. When reporters started whining about plastic guns, head start, and cop killer bullets, did he look in the camera and repeat his oath of office? Nope, he said he may have made some mistakes about head start. What crap.
They'd better pull their heads outta their ***** or they'll lose to dumb and really dumber.
 
I said it before - if GWB is serious about winning, he needs to FIRE anyone on his staff associated with either the Dole or GHB campaigns, as they were either run by idiots or closet democrats.

Why the heck doesn't GWB use "Harry and Louise" type commercials like those which were so effective in killing Hillary's health care mess? It seems with Gore defending the marriage penalty, Gore defending the death tax, and Gore offering tax credits to parents ONLY if they send a kid to daycare (stay at home moms need not apply) a very convincing argument could be made that Gore policies are anti-family.

Heck, the Bush campaign could have used - effectively - that pulled commercial with tape of Gore saying Clinton has never lied simply by putting the date of the interview at the bottom. Maybe a voice-over saying "Gore has flipped on many issues. I wonder if he'll flip on this one."

But no, the republicans (AKA THE STUPID PARTY) seems to be afraid of victory...
 
In Bush's defense, I expect that it is practically impossible for a non-Democrat to run a campaign at the national level today. AP/ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN... These guys control what we see and read. If Gore has something to say, he gets full coverage on all the channels and in prime time. AP backs him up too. When he has nothing to say, we get "RATS".

You think these media outlets will play Bush saying anything that might help his campaign? Get real. The Clymer=a$$hole comment got coverage becuase they thought it would hurt Bush.

It doesn't take a conspiracy theory to see that "journalists" today are mostly socialists or soft-communists. They don't need orders not to help Bush, they simply don't want to help him because he doesn't stand for what they personally believe.

I think the media have never really gotten over Ronald Reagan (most liberals haven't). The lesson that a conservative could be nationally popular scared them to death and taught them that they need to be proactive in limiting the popularity of conservatives (Newt Gingrich, for instance).

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Brady
(No relation to that $%#$ bill)

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The "RATS" thing is a conscious scam on the part of the media; AP even cropped the screen capture, and screwed with the image contrast, to make the charge seem more plausible!

a01ad.jpg
from AP

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from Reuters

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Sic semper tyrannis!

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Brady is right. The questions asked by the media help set the tone. Gore decided to hit on the bogus "RATS" thing because it effectively drowns out what Bush is saying. Instead of describing his plans, or showing how Gore is going to screw people - every media appearance ends up devolving into nothing more than a discussion of the RATS commercial - and you can bet that once the local news finishes editing that will be all that is discussed.

Jacob Weisberg wrote a pretty insightful piece on it for Slate.
http://slate.msn.com/code/BallotBox/BallotBox.asp?Show=9/12/2000&idMessage=6044
 
I agree with Brady on this one, it is at this
point impossible for a conservative to get fair coverage on the national media,which is
over run with liberal/socialist.They run program after program that will hurt the
republican candidate.I do not think a
conservative person could get through any
school of journalism now let alone work at
a major network. What is humorous(and sad)
is that the more left this country moves the
media will also lose"the 1st amendment"
Sure is a tough lesson.!!!
 
HankB,

I've been screaming for "Harry and Louise" for weeks now. It would get the media's attention and put Gore on BIG defensive.

Just to further the conversation - Zogby has Gore up 7 - first time he has been above margin of error. Way to go Bush.

NOTE: I'm still fighting here in CA despite the fact that RNC isn't helping, but I refuse to go without a fight.

Bush tax plan is more fair. Gore SS plan will cause us to raise taxes or cut benifits or both. Gore has spent more than the proposed surplus. I haven't heard ANY attacks on this.

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HankB:
I said it before - if GWB is serious about winning, he needs to FIRE anyone on his staff associated with either the Dole or GHB campaigns, as they were either run by idiots or closet democrats.

Why the heck doesn't GWB use "Harry and Louise" type commercials like those which were so effective in killing Hillary's health care mess? It seems with Gore defending the marriage penalty, Gore defending the death tax, and Gore offering tax credits to parents ONLY if they send a kid to daycare (stay at home moms need not apply) a very convincing argument could be made that Gore policies are anti-family.

Heck, the Bush campaign could have used - effectively - that pulled commercial with tape of Gore saying Clinton has never lied simply by putting the date of the interview at the bottom. Maybe a voice-over saying "Gore has flipped on many issues. I wonder if he'll flip on this one."

But no, the republicans (AKA THE STUPID PARTY) seems to be afraid of victory...[/quote]
 
It's ridiculous how the Repub party picks people who don't have the best chance of winning, to run for pres. In 1996, Lamar Alexander would have had a much better chance than Dole of beating Clinton. Likewise, it should have been (was to me) patently obvious that McCain could have whipped Gore much more easily than George W. I don't get it at all, except that it's apparently more about giving the candidate who the party "likes" - or the "heir apparent" - the chance to run, rather than it being just about winning for the Repubs.
 
Futo: McCain spiked his own chances; Once he embarked on that strategy of asking Democrats to vote in the Republican party primaries, opposition to him just exploded among Republicans. There's a difference between "reaching out", and asking the other side to help you in a hostile takeover.

Didn't help that McCain was the solitary Republican vote for way too many "bipartisan" Democratic bills, like McCain/Feingold.

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<Rant on>

We are witnessing a complete and total news blackout on GW. The dominant media is putting on a full court press to stop any message from GW getting out. "News" coverage is either GW's latest gaff report or video of GW responding to Gore's policies. Paid ads GW is running are being leaked to the "media" whereupon they are being taken apart. End result is paid ads and the message they contain are being neutralized. They have just shut down any coverage of GW campaign that does not have a Gore spin.

The RATS ad is two (2) weeks old. It was broken by FOX News. It was a non-event until Gore called NYT to get play, then it blew up.

At this point the only unfiltered air time GW will get is the debate. Look for the media to somehow control the output (oh say, like leaking the questions to Gore before hand). I smell a rat. GW campaign is being boxed in with only one out. . .the debates. Look for some kind of trap to be sprung.

Our media is now the Ministry of Propaganda for the democrat party.

<Rant off>
 
Or...we have been set up. Scary.



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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
The media, with the exception of a few free thinkers and genuine journalists, are not bright and intentially deceptive but stupid and lazy like their intended audience.
The bulk of the coverage has centered upon the fantasy storyline: the Dems (mommy party: nurturing, tolerant, nice) and the Reps (daddy party: powerful, scary, mean).
Anything outside this passion play script is too difficult for most of these overpayed MacNews people to deal with intelligently.
I firmly belieive that the populus has a more selective appetite than what is currently on the menu. Bush can step into the kitchen and serve it up or step into oblivion with Mr. Dole.
 
Absolutely right, Waitone. Brit Hume first broke the "rat" story two weeks ago. Somebody with nothing better to do watched the ad frame-by-frame and found the word "rat" on the screen for 1/13th of a second. It was the Gore campaign that this week obviously got the New York Times to do a front page story on it. Bush has been "on message." He's been out there, but the only stories we're hearing are about "rats" and "a**holes." The Gore media relations team is working overtime to keep any substantive reporting on Bush in the background.

Today's photo op's for Gore and Lieberman involve their outrage at Hollywood and the video game industry for polluting the minds of our youth. If the RNC had any cojones, they'd grab some video footage of Gore at Hollywood fundraisers with some of the slimiest and juxtapose it with his supposedly morally indignant comments.

How can people buy this stuff?

Dick
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Gov. Bush needs to go on the offensive and quit dancing to the other guys music.

When this "rat" thing is mentioned by the press he should respond something like:

GWB, "I don't understand why you want to talk about this silly contrived controversy about a campaign ad. Why don't we talk about issues? That's what I want to do! Lets talk about my tax plan where everyone paying income taxs gets a tax refund. Lets compare that to Mr. Gore's plan where only one out of every ten middle income Americans gets a tax refund and then only if they spend it the way Mr. Gore wants them to."

"Lets talk about my perscription drug plan where every needy senior citizen will be provided with their perscriptions at no cost. Lets compare my plan to Mr. Gore's plan that has young struggling families taxes being used to buy some millionaire senior citizen his Viagra!"

"I want to talk about the issues yet Mr. Gore is ducking debating me because he knows he is wrong on the issues. I want to talk about the issues yet you only ask me about nonsense raised by Mr. Gore and the Democrats. The American people are smart enough to know what is important and they want to know how my positions compare to Mr. Gore's."

Gov. Bush should then make ads where HE is talking to the people about what he wants to do for America and contrast that with Gore. Bush is a much more likable guy than AlGore and people need to see this.

This is how Pres. Reagan got around the biased media and it can work for Gov. Bush!
 
Waitone,

Not only did the NYT do that, they have sat on a story of Hillary 'renting' out the White House.

In the next revolution, media first, then the lawyers ! grrrrrrrr.

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Waitone:
<Rant on>

We are witnessing a complete and total news blackout on GW. The dominant media is putting on a full court press to stop any message from GW getting out. "News" coverage is either GW's latest gaff report or video of GW responding to Gore's policies. Paid ads GW is running are being leaked to the "media" whereupon they are being taken apart. End result is paid ads and the message they contain are being neutralized. They have just shut down any coverage of GW campaign that does not have a Gore spin.

The RATS ad is two (2) weeks old. It was broken by FOX News. It was a non-event until Gore called NYT to get play, then it blew up.

At this point the only unfiltered air time GW will get is the debate. Look for the media to somehow control the output (oh say, like leaking the questions to Gore before hand). I smell a rat. GW campaign is being boxed in with only one out. . .the debates. Look for some kind of trap to be sprung.

Our media is now the Ministry of Propaganda for the democrat party.

<Rant off>[/quote]
 
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