venturasailing
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There seems to be a lot of misinformation, guessing and hearsay(uneducated non-sense) So please, only answer if you can show the law(ATF rules, state laws etc.)
Recently I had a buyer of my rifle (thru GB) inform me that his ffl would not do a transfer for him because I was not an ffl and I was out of state. He did say he would do it if I sent the rifle through an ffl. He did say though it was legal(and I know it is) to do a transfer from a non ffl but he said he won't because too many frauds and crooks steal ffl lic copies and ship stolen guns etc etc.
All that said and my real question... he ended with the other issue he claims. That is he said that if the buyer refuses the gun(for what ever reason) he could not legally ship it back directly to me. I would have to go through a FFL.
Well, my common sense says that is ridiculous. I also heard others claim that to because "they" say it has to be transferred back to you. Well, that's even more ridiculous. I am still the legal owner of the rifle according to the DOJ etc. Why would the rifle need to be re-transferred to me? My ffl said that it would be silly to re transfer it because it was never transferred out of my name. It would serve no purpose and probably confuse the DOJ when they got the paper work. I can just hear what the DOJ guy might say: "HEY, LOOK AT THIS JOHN...THIS GUY BOUGHT A GUN, HAD IT TRANSFERRED INTO HIS NAME YEARS AGO AND NOW WANTS TO TRANSFER IT AGAIN TO HIMSELF. WHAT???? I do know if you mail your gun to a gunsmith for work he can send it right back to you...no FFL needs to be involved. My own ffl says of course the ffl can return your gun directly to you...it's your gun. You own it. He went on to say that if he insist on going through another ffl he would just charge me a handling fee for his trouble and hand it to me over the counter when it arrives. Because no papwork needs to be done. What would that paperwork be? What would it indicate? There are no such forms nor laws that say you have to go through an ffl just to get your gun back. I already own the gun. In fact my ffl was the guy who did the original transfer to me years ago so he said you can not re-transfer a gun back to yourself unless it was transferred out of my name. So what's the deal?
Can someone show me the LAW and not just say you heard it from a guy who knows he read it somewhere. I want the letter of the law. There is so much misinformation out there on gun laws it's practically a comedy. Thanks in advance. I see it it like this analogy: Say I want to ship my car to a Las Vegas car dealer who says he has a customer who wants it because it's a classic and he's got a customer for it. So I ship it to him. But the buyer backs out(too much rust he says). Okay, ship it back to me. But the dealer says "NO". I can only ship the car to a "car dealer" so it can be re-registered back into your name. Uh, no....it's already registered to me...it's my car. Ship me my f'king car back.
Recently I had a buyer of my rifle (thru GB) inform me that his ffl would not do a transfer for him because I was not an ffl and I was out of state. He did say he would do it if I sent the rifle through an ffl. He did say though it was legal(and I know it is) to do a transfer from a non ffl but he said he won't because too many frauds and crooks steal ffl lic copies and ship stolen guns etc etc.
All that said and my real question... he ended with the other issue he claims. That is he said that if the buyer refuses the gun(for what ever reason) he could not legally ship it back directly to me. I would have to go through a FFL.
Well, my common sense says that is ridiculous. I also heard others claim that to because "they" say it has to be transferred back to you. Well, that's even more ridiculous. I am still the legal owner of the rifle according to the DOJ etc. Why would the rifle need to be re-transferred to me? My ffl said that it would be silly to re transfer it because it was never transferred out of my name. It would serve no purpose and probably confuse the DOJ when they got the paper work. I can just hear what the DOJ guy might say: "HEY, LOOK AT THIS JOHN...THIS GUY BOUGHT A GUN, HAD IT TRANSFERRED INTO HIS NAME YEARS AGO AND NOW WANTS TO TRANSFER IT AGAIN TO HIMSELF. WHAT???? I do know if you mail your gun to a gunsmith for work he can send it right back to you...no FFL needs to be involved. My own ffl says of course the ffl can return your gun directly to you...it's your gun. You own it. He went on to say that if he insist on going through another ffl he would just charge me a handling fee for his trouble and hand it to me over the counter when it arrives. Because no papwork needs to be done. What would that paperwork be? What would it indicate? There are no such forms nor laws that say you have to go through an ffl just to get your gun back. I already own the gun. In fact my ffl was the guy who did the original transfer to me years ago so he said you can not re-transfer a gun back to yourself unless it was transferred out of my name. So what's the deal?
Can someone show me the LAW and not just say you heard it from a guy who knows he read it somewhere. I want the letter of the law. There is so much misinformation out there on gun laws it's practically a comedy. Thanks in advance. I see it it like this analogy: Say I want to ship my car to a Las Vegas car dealer who says he has a customer who wants it because it's a classic and he's got a customer for it. So I ship it to him. But the buyer backs out(too much rust he says). Okay, ship it back to me. But the dealer says "NO". I can only ship the car to a "car dealer" so it can be re-registered back into your name. Uh, no....it's already registered to me...it's my car. Ship me my f'king car back.
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You could have Googled "federal firearms law" and literally have the ATF.gov link as well as a quick and easy Wikipedia explanation of federal gun laws right in front of you. 