ChasingWhitetail91
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I had a friend fire in my direction with a lever .22lr while trying to drop the hammer into the saftey position. Needless to say he takes point on the hunts now.
Fess up -- ND & AD stories, please!
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g.willikers
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While it was hardly common, I've witnessed a few accidental discharges at the matches.
Some in the dirt, some over the berm, a few from the holster and one at a car.
But, fortunately never an injury.
The one at the car was the result of multiple errors.
Somehow one of the regulars managed to leave the range with a cocked and locked pistol, with no magazine in it, but a loaded round in the chamber.
As the fellow was taking his gear off he noticed the hammer was still back.
He checked to see if the mag well was empty, but didn't bother about doing a chamber check.
So, he drops the hammer on a presumed empty one and narrowly missed putting a hole in his car.
No DQ as the match was over.
Lots of vigorous criticism, though.
Some in the dirt, some over the berm, a few from the holster and one at a car.
But, fortunately never an injury.
The one at the car was the result of multiple errors.
Somehow one of the regulars managed to leave the range with a cocked and locked pistol, with no magazine in it, but a loaded round in the chamber.
As the fellow was taking his gear off he noticed the hammer was still back.
He checked to see if the mag well was empty, but didn't bother about doing a chamber check.
So, he drops the hammer on a presumed empty one and narrowly missed putting a hole in his car.
No DQ as the match was over.
Lots of vigorous criticism, though.
8mm Rem Mag
In 1983 I had a 8mm Rem Mag rifle. I chambered a round and when the bolt closed the round went off. Inspecting the trigger I found that one of the adjustment screws had backed out..it was sealed with an epoxy like material that had "broken" off. A most interesting experience.
Next--in the mid 80's I tried some .300 Weatherby brass in the 8mm Rem Mag...no problem using it. However I also had a .378 Weatherby Magnum and by mistake, I loaded the 8mm (.300 Weatherby round) in it by accident..when I pulled the trigger it fired. I never did that again.
In 1983 I had a 8mm Rem Mag rifle. I chambered a round and when the bolt closed the round went off. Inspecting the trigger I found that one of the adjustment screws had backed out..it was sealed with an epoxy like material that had "broken" off. A most interesting experience.
Next--in the mid 80's I tried some .300 Weatherby brass in the 8mm Rem Mag...no problem using it. However I also had a .378 Weatherby Magnum and by mistake, I loaded the 8mm (.300 Weatherby round) in it by accident..when I pulled the trigger it fired. I never did that again.
Stevie-Ray
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Hangfire while trying desperately to "break in" my AMT Govt. model. IMI UZI ammo was being used, as it's power was pretty much unsurpassed for hardball, and was suggested to beat hell out of the gun, forcing it into submission. It did actually work better than just about any other, but after a click, I held the gun on target for a full 5 seconds. Nothing. While still pointing it downrange (mostly) I reached for the slide with my left hand and just before touching it, the damn thing went off, putting a neat .45 cal hole in the guy's target next to me. Recoil practically bounced the thing out of my hand, and the guy looked horrified. I had read about the most extreme hangfire, a round that was ejected and placed on a shelf, only to go off nearly a half-hour later. I found it pretty hard to swallow, but I was a bit more open to it after my 10-15 second experience.
I have two. The first one was stupidity on my part as I was learning the basics of pistol shooting on a rented Beretta Brigadier (nice gun!) and with the gun canted to the side and my finger on the trigger, but pointed downrange, I let one loose on accident while trying to set the gun down. I learned to never ever put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to fire. They touch off rather easily in SA!
The second, like another poster, was decocking my Tokarev. My particular piece came to me second hand and someone had removed the import safety entirely (I've never replaced it, either). I had a couple of drinks in me and was dropping the hammer with the gun alongside my stomach. Bang! Two nice little holes in my shirt, and a little blood underneath it from either a graze or powder burn (or both) and a round that went through my bedroom door, into the wall, never to be found. I learned something else that day. Never handle a gun while drinking, and if you must fondle them, make sure they are completely unloaded before messing with triggers and hammers!!!
Since that last scare, all of my guns are unloaded, except for my shotgun which is never anything I touch even sober, and would only unless it's taking a range trip or defending myself.
The second, like another poster, was decocking my Tokarev. My particular piece came to me second hand and someone had removed the import safety entirely (I've never replaced it, either). I had a couple of drinks in me and was dropping the hammer with the gun alongside my stomach. Bang! Two nice little holes in my shirt, and a little blood underneath it from either a graze or powder burn (or both) and a round that went through my bedroom door, into the wall, never to be found. I learned something else that day. Never handle a gun while drinking, and if you must fondle them, make sure they are completely unloaded before messing with triggers and hammers!!!
Since that last scare, all of my guns are unloaded, except for my shotgun which is never anything I touch even sober, and would only unless it's taking a range trip or defending myself.
close call...
It's not quite a AD/ND but back around 1998/1999, I was unloading my Beretta 96D .40 & had a "hidden round".
I released the loaded mag, quickly looked down the magazine well, let the slide go forward, had my finger on the trigger to check to test the function & a little voice said; "check the barrel one more time". I racked the slide back, and surprise, a .40 JHP was in the pipe,.
The lesson I learned was, don't be in a rush, always look at the mag well and the action/barrel to make sure a little bugger isn't hiding.
Stay safe!
CF
It's not quite a AD/ND but back around 1998/1999, I was unloading my Beretta 96D .40 & had a "hidden round".
I released the loaded mag, quickly looked down the magazine well, let the slide go forward, had my finger on the trigger to check to test the function & a little voice said; "check the barrel one more time". I racked the slide back, and surprise, a .40 JHP was in the pipe,
.The lesson I learned was, don't be in a rush, always look at the mag well and the action/barrel to make sure a little bugger isn't hiding.
Stay safe!
CF
I hunted out of a deer blind in South Texas, and just above eye level, above the window, was a nice 30 cal hole. Apparently, someone was moving the gun into shooting position with the safety off, and hit the trigger with the gun pointed up at an angle. Ill bet that was loud even with ear protection.
No poop stains on the floor though.
No poop stains on the floor though.
Smith and Wesson 3913 9mm 1992....
I was thinking about another close one I had around 1992.
I was on leave from the military & went to a small rental gun range.
I shot a dirty S&W 3913 9x19mm with cheap reloaded range ammunition.
The compact pistol started to jam & turned it up to check the ejector.
I didn't realize it but I was pointing the loaded 9mm at my face!
I ejected a live round & turned it back towards the target. It fired okay with the rest of the range 9mm rounds.
When I got back to my MP unit, I got teased a lot for that story.
The lesson is to drop the pistol mag & put it on safe if you have a problem at the range.
Oh, and don't point loaded guns at your face....
CF
I was thinking about another close one I had around 1992.
I was on leave from the military & went to a small rental gun range.
I shot a dirty S&W 3913 9x19mm with cheap reloaded range ammunition.
The compact pistol started to jam & turned it up to check the ejector.
I didn't realize it but I was pointing the loaded 9mm at my face!
I ejected a live round & turned it back towards the target. It fired okay with the rest of the range 9mm rounds.
When I got back to my MP unit, I got teased a lot for that story.
The lesson is to drop the pistol mag & put it on safe if you have a problem at the range.
Oh, and don't point loaded guns at your face....
CF
I shot a hole in the drivers side floorboard of my old Nissan Sentra, it was a colt 25 Auto, by far the worst pistol I ever owned. I was trying to clear a loading jam while sitting in the drivers seat, I got the silly thing un-jammed and accidentally fired a round through my floorboard. fortunately I had it pointed where I didn't blow any toes off.
I was on a camping trip and it was raining out so all the windows were rolled up, little pistol was quite loud in there.
I was on a camping trip and it was raining out so all the windows were rolled up, little pistol was quite loud in there.
When I was about 12 years old I remember being at an outdoor gun range with my dad and somebody having an ND during a cease fire......some bonehead went back to his table and let a round off while others were downrange changing their targets. I remember the "boss" (i.e. range master) telling somebody to "@$*#$% and don't ever come back".
Speaking of which, I'm constantly amazed at all of the gouges at the ends of the firing benches and holes in the roofs that you see at gun ranges.
Speaking of which, I'm constantly amazed at all of the gouges at the ends of the firing benches and holes in the roofs that you see at gun ranges.
I grew up shooting with some abrasive, irresponsible old coots who told me three things would eventually happen to me as a shooter:
I've been proving them wrong ever since. I have had two unintentional discharges due to mechanical failures, but neither caused damage to anything serious.
In the course of my business, I've had cause to witness several, but the lord loves a simpleton, and none resulted in serious injury.
- I'd get lead poisoning,
- I'd suffer significant hearing loss by age 30, and
- I'd have a negligent discharge resulting in injury or serious property damage.
I've been proving them wrong ever since. I have had two unintentional discharges due to mechanical failures, but neither caused damage to anything serious.
In the course of my business, I've had cause to witness several, but the lord loves a simpleton, and none resulted in serious injury.
Machineguntony
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If ND can stand for nondischarge, then I have a second hand story that also involves an AD.
Many years ago, i had an ex who was a deputy Sheriff. She was only a deputy because her dad was a high ranking Captain in the sheriffs department; she really had no desire to be a cop, and she was way too girly to be a cop. She came home from work one day and said she was being investigated by Professional Standards, which is the modern way of saying 'Internal Affairs'.
She and a partner were on a call for a guy on meth, and the guy had warrants. She had her gun drawn, and she was clearing rooms in the house, where the guy was allegedly hiding. The suspect comes dashing out of the closet towards her and her partner, and he's got one of those little baseball bats. This would justify deadly force. Instead of shooting him, she shrieks and throws her gun at him.
Her partner, startled (imagine being in a small room and all this is happening), apparently has his finger on the trigger and unintentionally discharges a first round straight into the floor and an intentional second round, straight up into the ceiling. The second shot, according to the partner was to defend himself against serious bodily injury because this guy was charging at them with a deadly weapon. But the shock of the scene, the close quarters, the speed of unfolding events, and my ex shrieking and probably blocking his clear shot was too much for him.
Three weeks later, they fired her.
Many years ago, i had an ex who was a deputy Sheriff. She was only a deputy because her dad was a high ranking Captain in the sheriffs department; she really had no desire to be a cop, and she was way too girly to be a cop. She came home from work one day and said she was being investigated by Professional Standards, which is the modern way of saying 'Internal Affairs'.
She and a partner were on a call for a guy on meth, and the guy had warrants. She had her gun drawn, and she was clearing rooms in the house, where the guy was allegedly hiding. The suspect comes dashing out of the closet towards her and her partner, and he's got one of those little baseball bats. This would justify deadly force. Instead of shooting him, she shrieks and throws her gun at him.
Her partner, startled (imagine being in a small room and all this is happening), apparently has his finger on the trigger and unintentionally discharges a first round straight into the floor and an intentional second round, straight up into the ceiling. The second shot, according to the partner was to defend himself against serious bodily injury because this guy was charging at them with a deadly weapon. But the shock of the scene, the close quarters, the speed of unfolding events, and my ex shrieking and probably blocking his clear shot was too much for him.
Three weeks later, they fired her.
allaroundhunter
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ND is not a 'nondischarge', is is a negligent discharge.
Machineguntony
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I know, that's why I asked 'if' it can also mean nondischarge.
Btw, I changed the facts a little bit to protect the party's identities, and so that the situation couldn't be identified from the actual one. But the story is, at it's core, true.
Btw, I changed the facts a little bit to protect the party's identities, and so that the situation couldn't be identified from the actual one. But the story is, at it's core, true.
I'm tempted to take the Fifth Amendment. I have had a cople of ADs and and an ND.
The fist occurred with a WW2 issue Walther PPK in .32 ACP. I'd just bought it and brought it home. I loaded the magazine, inserted it into the butt, and racked the slide. I then used the drop hammer safety and, "BANG!" Fortunately no one was hurt but I did kill a 200 years old antique mirror. I consider that one more of an AD than ND because it turned out the gun had been sabotiged to fire when dropping the hammer with the safety. I'd read about that in relation to another gun that used that type safety but never gave it a thought that it might have been done to a PPK.
AD #2 was a wierd one. I'd bought a Colt single action army that someone had worked over for fast draw. That gun had the hairiest trigger I've ever shot. it would shoot from the half cock notch and if the primer was sensitive enough from the safety notch as well.
I was at the range shooting that little jewel and I'd just loaded up a full cyclinder. (Yes, I know about keeping an empty chamber under the hammer but I was shooting t the range and not packing it in a holster or tucked in my belt.) The gun was pointed at the ground as I was saying something to my wife when, BANG!". My wife was looking right at me when it went off and we both swear my finger was not on the trigger. The hole in the dirt was less than two inches from my right foot. Again, I consider than an AD.
Now my ND took place a very long time ago while I was in my 20's. I was in the basement as we called it of my Grandfather's house dry firing an S&W Combat Masterpiece. THis was my bedside un at the time so when the phone rang, I loaded the gun with a speedloader set the gun on the table and ran upstairs to get the phone. Well it was my lady love at that time and let's just say the conversation was XXX rated to be sure. All I can add to that was she let me know every little thing she was gonna do to when I got there ater that evening. The call over, I head back downstairs to do a little more dry firing. Yup. You guessed it. With the thoughts of that evening roaring through my testosternoes clouded brain, I'd completely forgot I'd reloaded that gun. I took a bead on a sparrow sitting on the fence just outside the windown and, "BOOM!. There was a hole in the window and feather flying around. I positively call that one an ND and my fault.
An ND that I know of but did not see concerned kids up on Mt. Lemmon here in the Tucson area. A group of mostly teens were having a party diring Spring Break as I recall and they'd done some target practice.. Later after dark they were eating and drinking beer and one of the guys started to tease one of the girls She picked up a .22 and told the guy to stop, he didn't and one kid is dead and a young woman has to face the fact she killed a friend. his one hits very close to home as the kid killed is the cousin of my oldest daughter's son. According to my Grandson, she said she thought the gun was not loaded. I wonder just how many times that's been said. The court decided that this was an accident that should not have happened and the kids got counseling.
On a brighter note, my first two incidents are now used as part of my gun safety speeched in my hunter Education classes.
Paul B.
The fist occurred with a WW2 issue Walther PPK in .32 ACP. I'd just bought it and brought it home. I loaded the magazine, inserted it into the butt, and racked the slide. I then used the drop hammer safety and, "BANG!" Fortunately no one was hurt but I did kill a 200 years old antique mirror. I consider that one more of an AD than ND because it turned out the gun had been sabotiged to fire when dropping the hammer with the safety. I'd read about that in relation to another gun that used that type safety but never gave it a thought that it might have been done to a PPK.
AD #2 was a wierd one. I'd bought a Colt single action army that someone had worked over for fast draw. That gun had the hairiest trigger I've ever shot. it would shoot from the half cock notch and if the primer was sensitive enough from the safety notch as well.
I was at the range shooting that little jewel and I'd just loaded up a full cyclinder. (Yes, I know about keeping an empty chamber under the hammer but I was shooting t the range and not packing it in a holster or tucked in my belt.) The gun was pointed at the ground as I was saying something to my wife when, BANG!". My wife was looking right at me when it went off and we both swear my finger was not on the trigger. The hole in the dirt was less than two inches from my right foot. Again, I consider than an AD.
Now my ND took place a very long time ago while I was in my 20's. I was in the basement as we called it of my Grandfather's house dry firing an S&W Combat Masterpiece. THis was my bedside un at the time so when the phone rang, I loaded the gun with a speedloader set the gun on the table and ran upstairs to get the phone. Well it was my lady love at that time and let's just say the conversation was XXX rated to be sure. All I can add to that was she let me know every little thing she was gonna do to when I got there ater that evening. The call over, I head back downstairs to do a little more dry firing. Yup. You guessed it. With the thoughts of that evening roaring through my testosternoes clouded brain, I'd completely forgot I'd reloaded that gun. I took a bead on a sparrow sitting on the fence just outside the windown and, "BOOM!. There was a hole in the window and feather flying around. I positively call that one an ND and my fault.
An ND that I know of but did not see concerned kids up on Mt. Lemmon here in the Tucson area. A group of mostly teens were having a party diring Spring Break as I recall and they'd done some target practice.. Later after dark they were eating and drinking beer and one of the guys started to tease one of the girls She picked up a .22 and told the guy to stop, he didn't and one kid is dead and a young woman has to face the fact she killed a friend. his one hits very close to home as the kid killed is the cousin of my oldest daughter's son. According to my Grandson, she said she thought the gun was not loaded. I wonder just how many times that's been said. The court decided that this was an accident that should not have happened and the kids got counseling.
On a brighter note, my first two incidents are now used as part of my gun safety speeched in my hunter Education classes.
Paul B.
I forgot the one true AD I have seen. At a Highpower match everybody was prone and ready for the slow fire stage. The RO said "ready on the left" and a gentleman who had just had some trigger work done on his M1A clicked the safety off. He and everybody else there was surprised when it fired. The rifle was pointed exactly downrange, so adherence to the safety rules prevented any unwanted holes.
Almost ashamed to tell you....
I am almost ashamed to tell you. Sometimes we do things that we wish we could undo. We have a lot of critters out where I live and I keep my 22LR in the trunk of my car so when needed it is there. Most of my shots are supported by the nearest tree, pole or hood of a car or truck. So far that has worked great. A pesky little critter (possum) had been eating my pet's food and cleaning it out. I came home one day and there he was. Just sitting there eating his heart out. I stop and open the trunk and pull out my 10/22. I use the hood of my car as the rest. In the past this has always worked fine and many raccoons and opossums have been taken doing this. Well I shot at the big "rat." He won I lost.... He ran away totally unharmed. I could not understand how I missed. I do not normally miss shots like that..
The fact is that the bullet hit the car roof and glanced off the roof of my car. Nice little indentation about an inch long where the bullet path was but fortunately no hole. It looked like it slid across the roof and angled back up and away.
Wife has not seen that one yet. This oops needs to be added to my other failure in judgements.
Shot a hole with 7MM Mag in the dining room wall. Tiny hole going in and blasted out a big hole the brick wall on the other side. This was at 5:30 or so in the morning and the wife was asleep in the bed. I walked back to the bedroom to tell her I was still alive and she was speechless for a couple of hours. I went hunting anyway.
Shot at a crow in yard with pistol and hit the side of a brick wall and the fragments of the bricks that exploded and blew out the windows of my pickup truck.
Should have known better but I walked to the other side of an oak tree to get the squirrel to move to present himself to the newbie hunter that was with me. It worked but after his first shot the squirrel rand down the tree and began was rapidly shooting at a squirrel. Only problem was it did not occur to him that in a few moments I would be down range of the hail of bullets he was firing at the squirrel running down the tree. Fortunately there was a nice gulley beside me that I leaped into to avoid being shot. That hunting session ended immediately.
With my first pistol I grazed the tip of my finger that was near the muzzle. Up until then all I shot was a rifle. I guess you could say that I shot my self. It looked like someone had taken a magic marker and marked my forefinger. It stung a little bit but I am happy to say that has not happen again. We learn from our mistakes.
I have done other dumb things but I will keep quiet for now.
I do enjoy the shooting hobby. Try to be safe...
Lemmon from Rural South Carolina
I am almost ashamed to tell you. Sometimes we do things that we wish we could undo. We have a lot of critters out where I live and I keep my 22LR in the trunk of my car so when needed it is there. Most of my shots are supported by the nearest tree, pole or hood of a car or truck. So far that has worked great. A pesky little critter (possum) had been eating my pet's food and cleaning it out. I came home one day and there he was. Just sitting there eating his heart out. I stop and open the trunk and pull out my 10/22. I use the hood of my car as the rest. In the past this has always worked fine and many raccoons and opossums have been taken doing this. Well I shot at the big "rat." He won I lost.... He ran away totally unharmed. I could not understand how I missed. I do not normally miss shots like that..
The fact is that the bullet hit the car roof and glanced off the roof of my car. Nice little indentation about an inch long where the bullet path was but fortunately no hole. It looked like it slid across the roof and angled back up and away.
Wife has not seen that one yet. This oops needs to be added to my other failure in judgements.
Shot a hole with 7MM Mag in the dining room wall. Tiny hole going in and blasted out a big hole the brick wall on the other side. This was at 5:30 or so in the morning and the wife was asleep in the bed. I walked back to the bedroom to tell her I was still alive and she was speechless for a couple of hours. I went hunting anyway.
Shot at a crow in yard with pistol and hit the side of a brick wall and the fragments of the bricks that exploded and blew out the windows of my pickup truck.
Should have known better but I walked to the other side of an oak tree to get the squirrel to move to present himself to the newbie hunter that was with me. It worked but after his first shot the squirrel rand down the tree and began was rapidly shooting at a squirrel. Only problem was it did not occur to him that in a few moments I would be down range of the hail of bullets he was firing at the squirrel running down the tree. Fortunately there was a nice gulley beside me that I leaped into to avoid being shot. That hunting session ended immediately.
With my first pistol I grazed the tip of my finger that was near the muzzle. Up until then all I shot was a rifle. I guess you could say that I shot my self. It looked like someone had taken a magic marker and marked my forefinger. It stung a little bit but I am happy to say that has not happen again. We learn from our mistakes.
I have done other dumb things but I will keep quiet for now.
I do enjoy the shooting hobby. Try to be safe...
Lemmon from Rural South Carolina
RedBowTies88
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I'll start this story by reminding everyone here that here in NJ you cannot in any way shape or form carry a firearm, loaded or otherwise. Even those of us here who have dealt with firearms safely our whole lives are often clueless in safe methods of carry and holster use.
My oldest friend inquired about my holsters at the range and in particular my pocket holster that I use with my p-64 (so you know the DA trigger pull is HEAVY). I gave him a basic rundown and told him to load it up and give drawing on target a try. We never got that far. To this day I still have no clue how it happened but as it was inserted into his jeans pocket it discharged. The bullet ran parallel to his leg and exited his pants at the knee without ever touching him.
I've never seen anyone take off their pants so fast in my life. He and I were both worried he'd shot himself and not yet felt the pain due to shock. Luckily he did not. However he did need new pants for more reasons then the hole in the knee
My oldest friend inquired about my holsters at the range and in particular my pocket holster that I use with my p-64 (so you know the DA trigger pull is HEAVY). I gave him a basic rundown and told him to load it up and give drawing on target a try. We never got that far. To this day I still have no clue how it happened but as it was inserted into his jeans pocket it discharged. The bullet ran parallel to his leg and exited his pants at the knee without ever touching him.
I've never seen anyone take off their pants so fast in my life. He and I were both worried he'd shot himself and not yet felt the pain due to shock. Luckily he did not. However he did need new pants for more reasons then the hole in the knee
We're all human and make mistakes. We hope those mistakes never involve firearms, but it does happen occasionally - however, the mistake that causes a ND should NEVER produce an injury to another human being or ourselves if we simply follow the rules we all know very well we're supposed to follow.