Fellow Glock haters...I need help!!!

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Redneck2

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Well, I actually don't hate Glocks, but they always struck me as kinda plastic bricks made my Mattel. They've got that goofy swinging trigger thingy. And they're all black...don't know if they're evil or just ugly.

Now don't get me wrong, I think they well may be the best choice for LEO's. Reliable feeding, impossible to wear out, and never show wear to any degree...

but see, I always liked REAL guns. Like my Colt SAA in .44-40, a real caliber..... or my Bisley in 45LC, or the Colt GI M1911A1. Lever guns in .45-70, etc.

In church they say you need to be careful how you pick your friends. People close to you can have bad influences.

So the other day I go into "the Shop". My friend Andy gets real excited and says "You gotta see this!!"

Off the wall comes a Glock 20. Now I guess this can be considered a "real" caliber. Anything with more whack than a .45 acp should probably be respected. I take it into the range. Trigger isn't even close to my 1911, but it's manageable. I'm in the 9 & 10 ring the first time out. Recoil is quite mild considering the round.

Then comes the downfall, a little combination flash lite-laser lite that slips on the front rail. The on/off button is right at your finger tips. Move the selector to one setting and it's a laser, flip it and it's a flashlite, flip again and you have both. We're in the shop targeting stuff.....

man, that little red light is ADDICTING. The headlight is as bright as a regular hand flashlight, maybe brighter.

Worst part is, a laser for a 1911 runs around $400. I can get the new condition G20 with the new laser/flashlight for $650.

My wife, the world's most incredible woman, says "You don't have a Glock do you??? I've heard they're good guns". Then she says "You don't have anything on lay-a-way do you??"

I have this empty feeling that a Glock is in the future. Are these G20's any good???
 
You don't need help. You need to go back to that shop and buy the Glock! Figure it this way. The G20 is about $400. Add the laser/light M6 for about $250 (which IIRC is near retail) and you have what amounts to a pretty darn good deal.
If the G20 comes with 15 round magazines, so much the better. I personally would skip the M6 and just buy the pistol. I have an M3 (about $100) on my G31 and I like it alot. The cool factor of the M6 cetainly makes it tempting. :)
 
okay, i've got an admittedly stupid question, one that i have researched and thought i knew the answer to, but redneck2's post now has me doubting:

is the 10mm superior to the .45acp? some people have referred to the 10 as a .40 on steroids. so i always thought it fell somewhere between the .40 and .45... am i wrong? note that this still doesnt change my buying list, which will include the 10mm in both a glock and s&w revolver. (please, no flaming for not boycotting s&w, you have your opinion, i have mine). and i also have the .45 on the list as well, not only with a glock, but eventually a 1911.
i apologize in advance for taking this post off topic.
 
There aren't many people out there who will argue that the .45 outperforms the 10mm. A .40 caliber 200 grain bullet at 1200fps is pretty impressive.

As to the Glock 20? If all 10mm pistols had been as good as the Glock 20, the 10mm's popularity would never have fallen off like it did.

Most companies just modified their .45ACP models to take 10mm with predictable results. Recoil was savage and the guns tore themselves up. Glock did just the reverse. They made the 20 in 10mm and then modified the 20 to the 21 in .45.

Short answer?

The Glock 20 is a great pistol. I have two.

Good shooting,

John
 
Well, see, this is part of the dilemma...

a 185 grain .45 acp in +P does about 1150. In 45 Super does about 1,300. 10mm gets 1300-1325. These are just some quick figures I pick off one site. I'm sure there are variations, and I'm sure if there are, I'll be corrected.

There's a whole website (go figure) devoted to 10mm nut-so's (which I may become one).

Try "10mm Information Pages", and there's a whole section devoted to the 10 on Glock Talk.

Talked to a shop owner/LEO. He says there's a lot of difference between various factory loads and performance. The G20 I shot with whatever bullets we had on hand was actually pretty tame.

Either there's a ton of difference in recoil between brands, or the guys that complain about recoil need to turn left on the way out to go to the girl's locker room. In all fairness, the G20 is a good size gun. In a smaller frame, there may be a considereable difference.
 
The Glock 20 is probably the best 10mm autoloader currently in production. It's sturdy and dead-bang reliable, easy to shoot, and holds a lot of rounds in a serious and flexible caliber.

Georgia Arms makes a 155gr. load doing 1375fps for 651 fpe, and the 175gr Winchester Silvertip in 10mm does 1290fps for 649fpe. There are few calibers of that power level which are as easy to shoot as full-power 10mm loads out of a Glock 20.
 
"***some people have referred to the 10 as a .40 on steroids."


Actually, the .40 S&W is a neutered 10mm Auto, using a shorter case (.850 v. .992) with thinner walls. Hence, taking a cue from the proprietary initials, many simple refer to it as the .40 "Short & Weak" or the .40 "Swishy-Walker." :D

In addition to what Lendringser & JohnKSa posted, you might be interested to know that Texas Ammo now loads 10mm/200gn Hornady bullets (FMJ-FPs & XTP-HPs) to 1250 fps for 694 ft-lbs.

The .45acp is a venerable defensive cartridge, but a 10mm that's loaded "heavy & fast" leaves it far behind. ;)
 
Ah, ha! Bitten are you with the Glock bug!! (Apologies to Yoda)

Hey--once upon a time, I did not like Glocks either.

Then, I fired a G17, and noted that it was one of the most accurate and comfortable guns I have fired. It's been a few years since that. To make a long story short, I own quite a few handguns. My Glocks are the only ones that are pretty much stock pistols--although I have replaced the guide rod in my G22 with a steel one, put in a Wolff spring, and a 4 lb. connector. It's my duty and carry gun. I've put a few thousand rounds through it. It has never failed, always fired, and will hold the center of a B27 silhouette or the 10 ring of an NRA timed or rapid fire target at 25 yards. The G27 is just as good--packs a whole lotta hurt in a pocket sized package, plus I have complete interchangeability with the big Glock. Got sent to Glock armorer's school while with my first Department.

Now, I must admit, I have a secret.............

I go to Tupperware parties every time I go on patrol.

(Combat Tupperware, that is!!!) :cool:
 
I will admit when I first started shooting I hated glocks too. I did not like the trigger and the accuracy they gave was not as good as the sigs I liked to shoot at that time. Over time and training I learned how much better the GLock is than any DA SA gun for shooting under stress fast and accurately. I learned how durable they were and they were accurate once you learned how to use the trigger. I now use Glocks exclusively.
PAT
 
I used to hate Glocks too. Not because they're bad in any way, I just though they'd been given a good beating with an Ugly Stick. No blued steel or polished walnut. Called 'em Blocks, named after that plastic brick thing you talked about.

Then I inherited a G-23 barrel for free. Naturally that FORCED me to got out and buy a gun to go with it. The barrel counts as a hundred-ish-plus dollar discount, so I got a G-32, the .357 sig version of the 23, and now I have a switch-barrel gun.

I liked the trigger fine right out of the box, but then I went and installed a 3.5 lb. connector from Alchemy Arms, and all of a sudden that Glock became one of my favorite shooters.

Accurate. Reliable. Feels great in the hand. Recoil's nice and easy. And I haven't even TRIED the .40 barrel yet. The darn thing's too much fun just like it is.

I find G-20's to be too big in my hands, but I may get one of those baby Glocks in 10mm. They're neatly the same size as my 32. I have to handle one to see if they still feel big, as my issue was with their girth.

Be careful, they're addicting!:D
 
I can be found on glocktalk in the normal sections and the ten ring. The ten ring is not about accuracy per se, it is about 10mm.

I have the 29 and 20. The 29 is still thick like the 20 but takes 10 round mags and has a shorter barrel. I bought a used 20 with 7 15 rounds mags. And then I got the 6 inch hunting barrel for the 20. You can get a 5.5 inch for the 29. And you can get 40*&* and 357 sig barrels for either 10mm glock and that is all you need to change to run that round in the 10mm glocks since they are the off spring of the 10mm.

Even the big 10mm hunting loads are not bad on recoil. When you start playing with handloading you can bypass anything you can order, and at that point an after market barrel with a tighter chamber is good, and a recoil rod in 22-24 lbs is recomended to lessen slide slamming into the back of the stops. Or the front, however you want to look at it. It is all in the ten ring. go over to glock talk and set the browser to the begining and you will learn a lot.

You will find links to 10mm sites and articles that pretty well show in some cases the 10mm is way better than the 45 acp. If you want a 230 grain bullet no matter what, stay with the 45. But if fps, momentum, and other things peak your interest the 10mm generally can win in most cases from rounds you can buy. I order silver tips by the case as they are a great 175 grain load. I am also getting into handloading as this makes the 10mm really useful. And there are a few handloaders on the glock sight to learn from. And you can order from as well if you want.

With a bullet drop of 2 inches at 100 yards it is a flat shooting big bullet to some extent.

I run blazer through mine for plinking and some of the rounds are simply 40*&* loads in a slightly bigger casing. You will see you can order hot loads for around the same as other hot loads and for plinking decide where you want to be.

But for overall mag fed handgun useage, the 10mm in glock is great. Especially if you have the 15 round mags.

I have a 45 glock, and it does ok but is not as fun as the 10mm.

Slightly biased, so take this info for what it cost you. :)

Then ask tamara.
 
Be warned! After you fondle that fine Austrian plastic you will desire more and more Glocks. You can never have enough Glocks.
 
Never handled a Glock before today, when I looked at one seriously at a gun show I attended. The seller told me it functions like a fine Swiss watch. I will have to try one some day at a rental range type set-up.

BTW, don't forget to turn your glock ahead an hour tonight.:D----Chainsaw
 
The Glock 20 is one of their best, so long as it fits your hand.
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As for the cartridge, the 10 is wonderful. Rememeber though, that holes punched to sufficient depth end threats. Relative to humans and defense against them, the 10mm punches smaller holes than the .45acp, with depth not really coming into play since they both delve deep enough. Some four legged creatures... Now that's different.
 
My safe has for a long time been a no glock zone. A young LEO friend just bought a 27 for back up and off duty. I was cordial and complimentary but deep inside wondered why he would buy such a gun??

To satisfiy my curiosity, I went to the range and rented a 27 to fire for myself. It was dirty, dry and so worn that the slide would not lock back on the last round. I shot that old 27 like I had owned it for years. at 75 feet two to CM and onecontrolled shot to the head. It just pointed and shot so wonderfully. When I went back out to the range counter person he said that the range 27 had thousands of rounds through and needs to be sent for rebuild but it is such a good shooter they don't want to take it out of service. I was convinced and within a week bought a glock 27. Change is good. I am no longer an antiglock shooter.
 
RESPECT -- NOT HATE

But the only gun I've sold in a reeeeeeeal long time was a (unbelievably expensively modified) M20 (cause I couldn't get it 'right').

I am aware of certain factory ammo that exceeds the performance figures quoted here.
But not in stock Glocks.

I guess I'll just suffer with what I have, and wait for that perfect 10mm pistol to fall from the sky -- OH WAIT!

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EAA Witness

Two choices. Metal choices.





The 10mm will NEVER die.
 
The G20 I shot with whatever bullets we had on hand was actually pretty tame. Either there's a ton of difference in recoil between brands...
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I think you hit the nail on the head. My Glock 20 is also what I would call very shootable even with the heavy loads. After I read article after article claiming that the 10mm was a heavy recoiling gun I was forced to the conclusion that the Glock 20 had to be the pick of the litter.

Weshoot2 has a point. The Glock 20 pistols have a tendency to be undersprung from the factory. If you want to crank it up it's probably wise to invest in a heavier spring.

Good shooting,

John
 
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