Feelings on AR style rifles in camp?
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Crankylove
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If its legal to hunt with, it dosen't matter to me what you go out with. This last October it rained for 3 days straight on the elk hunt, so my older brother was walkin around with his Rock River, and my younger brother has his SKS. They are legal to hunt with in Utah, and the rain would do them no harm. If you aren't going rock-n-roll, instead of aimed shots, with your black rifle, I couldnt care less if you hunt with it or not.
FrankenMauser
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A good hunter wouldn't take a long, running shot with those cartridges.
Hell, I won't even do it with my .270 Win.
Hunting with .223 Rem is an incindiary topic, no matter where it comes up. I don't want to get into the "Should people hunt with a .22?" arguement.
7.62x39, however....
.30-30 Winchester usually produces about 2,300 fps with most 130 grain SPs.
.30-30 Winchester usually produces about 2,200 fps with most 150 grain SPs.
7.62x39 usually produces about 2,200 fps with most 123-125 grain SPs.**
7.62x39 usually produces about 2,100 fps with most 150 grain SPs.
7.62x39 comes up only 100 fps short of the .30-30 with the two most common bullet weights for hunting. I'm sure 90% of the people on this board, from 'out west', find the .30-30 perfectly adequate for western game. Yet, quite a few of those same persons find the 7.62x39 to be inadequate. I don't understand the disparity.
(**Some of the older, steel-core ammo that was de-mil'd from FMJs to "Soft Points" will produce 2,400-2,500 fps. Explosive expansion on impact, and fantastic penetration from the steel core....)
The R-25 mentioned in this topic is even better, being chambered in .308; and conducive to scope mounting. Shoot what you want, with what you choose.
L_Killkenny
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I have zero problems with the AR platform in the field. Light, accurate and reliable they make a great hunting arm in the "right" configuration. But if you show up with 30 round mags and all sorts of tacti-cool stuff on it I'll break the gun over your head. And for Gods sake lose that awful carry handle and have a decent scope on the thing. Ak's are a different matter. Show up with one of those and you'll be deemed an idiot and told to go away.
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MeekAndMild
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For what it's worth I looked up some autoloader history today. This is what I found.
John Browning filed his first gas operating mechanism patent in 1890 and the first commercially viable centerfire semiautomatic rifle to be introduced to the American public was the Winchester Model 1905. Remington came out with an autoloader shotgun in 1905 (see the first link above) and a rifle in 1906, changing its name to the Model 8 in 1911.
So self loaders were on the civilian market long before the US Army adopted them in 1918.
John Browning filed his first gas operating mechanism patent in 1890 and the first commercially viable centerfire semiautomatic rifle to be introduced to the American public was the Winchester Model 1905. Remington came out with an autoloader shotgun in 1905 (see the first link above) and a rifle in 1906, changing its name to the Model 8 in 1911.
So self loaders were on the civilian market long before the US Army adopted them in 1918.
That's pretty nutball, you know.
L_Killkenny
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"That's pretty nutball, you know."
Agreed, but appropriate if done to someone who shows up at a hunting camp with 30 round mag!!!!
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Agreed, but appropriate if done to someone who shows up at a hunting camp with 30 round mag!!!!
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DonR101395
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Wow, when did Zumbo start posting on TFL?
BTW: An AK with an ultimak, aimpoint and 5 round magazine makes a pretty handy hog gun.
22-rimfire
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If it's legal, you're free to choose what you want to hunt with.
We usually pick on AK's an AR15's too.
But only because we like .308's
Seriously. It's not what equipment you have, but how well & responsibly you use it. We've had M1a, FAL, H&K 91, ar-15, AK 47, AK-M, Dragunoffs, AR 15, & Lee Enfields & Mausers & many others in camp. We've never had an issue either internally, or externally.
The most dangerous part of any firearm is the big nut behind the trigger.
If you physically threatning me, based on my choice of hardare, rather than my ethics, handling, & safety, then you need to take a long cool look in the mirror to see who exactly is dangerous.
But only because we like .308's
Seriously. It's not what equipment you have, but how well & responsibly you use it. We've had M1a, FAL, H&K 91, ar-15, AK 47, AK-M, Dragunoffs, AR 15, & Lee Enfields & Mausers & many others in camp. We've never had an issue either internally, or externally.
The most dangerous part of any firearm is the big nut behind the trigger.
If you physically threatning me, based on my choice of hardare, rather than my ethics, handling, & safety, then you need to take a long cool look in the mirror to see who exactly is dangerous.
MeekAndMild
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So how is advocating physical violence appropriate? One reads that sort of thing all the time in antigun postings but seldom on TFL.
And, sadly, that's the other side of the story.
We do our annual camp on an invitation basis. There are usually a lot of people who say "I'm coming" all year & then don't show up. We usually get at least one who just arrives out of the blue who hasn't said a word all year.
We had one a few years ago. He insisted in changing his clothing to match whatever rifle he produced that day.
M1a= tiger stripe camo.
AR-15= OD fatigues & so on.
We started being very carefull round him.
Then out came a 460 Weatherby magnum bolt gun & a safari suit.
He was absolutely dangerous with all of them. We talked to him privately, without any improvment at all, so we asked him to leave, politely.
It was not the rifle that caused us to do this but the person using it. It made no difference wether he had a "hunting rifle" or an "assault Weapon".
Art Eatman
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texfar, how should I "lighten up"? I merely commented about two particular cartridges with respect to a particular purpose and situation. Again, I don't think the platform is particularly important or has negative connotations. A guy with an AR-10 oughta do okay in any deer hunt, for instance.
armedtotheteeth
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Ars work great. Every deer i got this year was with a Ar. yesterdays was with a Ar10. The other 3 where with a Ar15. I used to be strickly Bolt action hunter. That was before 40 hogs where running directly at me when I had a 5 round bolt gun, and nowhere to go. Hogs have gotten bad around here. You usually either see none, or 10. My Ar15 is a handy dandy little pig gun, and accurate to 300 yards, offhand. Im hoping all these R25s and Varmint Ar15s, such as the predator, and the like will steer people and thoughts of them being the "assault weapons" that they have been come to be known as. I could give a crap less about a bayonet lug, and could live without the Muzzlebrake on a Ar15. I Require the use of my 20 round mags, and will continue to do so. I have alot of 30 rounders, but they are not conduscive to prone shooting and get in the way. If I use 30 rounders, usually they are loaded to 20 just for weight. Spending more money for a 10 or 5 round magazine is stupid, and refuse to do so. We can hunt with whatever we want to here, as long as it is not Rimfire, or Fullauto. The Game warden knows me by name around here and doesnt even jack with me anymore . "Oh, crap@ Its the guy with the Pile of guns in the back of his truck again!" He knows I kill my fair share of hogs, he told me to kill the Mountain Lion if I see it. Kinda odd coming from a game warden.