Federal Hydra Shok Obsolete?

Hamsterdam

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Hello, its me, the old fart newbie.

Over the last 30+ yrs, ive owned a S&W .357 Mag. Nickel LB, a S&W .38 Special, Ruger Red Label 12 ga. O/U, Winchester Model 70 30.06, a .410 "snake charmer", an an old lever action 22 LR.

Most of these, i can no longer fire, due to disability. i have 5 collapsed disks in upper and mid back, plus a benign, yet inoperable, lemon sized spinal tumor in the Lumbar area. This prevents shooting any hi-power shoulder fired weapon, aside from perhaps with a sandbag setup, and still the shock to the frame would accumulate.

ANYWAY....after the huge digression.......

i purchased a PT-111 Pro Millenium 9mm 2 weeks ago, for my carry, especially on my powerchair. As you see above, none of my handguns were Semis...all Revolvers. i have used a 9mm and other Semi at ranges, or just plinking targets in the pasture, so i am not unfamiliar with them, their use or care. However, i have purchased 3 varieties of SD loads, along with a bunch of FMJ peanuts for the Range, and ran into something that shocked me...pardon the pun.

i have 40 rds Barnes Tac XD, 50rds Georgia Arms Gold Dot, and 40 rds of Federal Hydra-Shok. In the past we even practiced with the Federals(when that was an affordable thing), and i had thought highly of it as an SD round, but i read an article that gave me doubt to use it for carry.

From the article on TRuthaboutgunsDOTcom:

"In this test, I fired three bullets into a denim-covered gel block, and witnessed one partial success and two complete failures to expand (which resulted in those two bullets over-penetrating all 32 inches of gel I’d set up.) I don’t know how far they would have gone; I had two 16″ blocks set up, and they overpenetrated both of them and were lost. I then used the remaining room in the block to fire two bullets into bare gel. Those two rounds did expand, but one under-penetrated by reaching only 11″; the other performed great, expanded well and penetrated to the required minimum 12″ distance."

Now, i don't know how this guy prepares for testing, and some of his language sounded wonky, but these results sure give me pause about having a defense mag filled with Shoks. Does anyone use this round? Has anyone else heard of or experienced issues with them? i am thinking about just putting them in with my range rounds next trip, if they perform like this in a combat scenario....am i overracting?:confused:

i do know i am on the Georgia Arms Bandwagon....it may become my main defense round.
 
Fifteen years ago, 230gr Hydra-Shok was the gold standard of self-defense rounds.
One analysis showed 100% one-shot stops when fired from a 5" gun.
Testing may have changed, but I don't think denim has changed?
Hydra-Shok itself has changed over the years. I have samples with three distinct bullet shapes, and I'd expect the newer designs - rounded profile - to work better than the older - truncated cone.
I still have 30-40 rounds that I wouldn't hesitate to use if the need arose.
 
One analysis showed 100% one-shot stops when fired from a 5" gun.

I'd love to see anything that shows any handgun is a one shot fight stopper 100% of the time. To the brain of CNS sure. But in that case as long as the bullet can penetrate the requisite depth, design won't matter much at all.
 
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I have a couple of boxes left and I keep them in my S&W 19 I still have a few of their reversed hollow base wadcutter with the post in them.
 
I think it may be fine for faster calibers like 357. but I had failure to expand more than half the tie from 38 snubby, so I don't use it anymore. I think the polymer-tipped hollow-points are the best for expansion in slower/smaller calibers and almost never fail to expand, plugging or other.
 
Cloth plugs cut out by the Hydra-Shok's hollowpoint cavity rim (like a cookie cutter) when it passes through clothing clog the cavity mouth and prevents/inhibits expansion.

With conventional hollowpoint bullets the cloth plug is driven to bottom of the cavity, which clears the cavity mouth for body fluids to enter to facilitate expansion.

The lead post on the Hydra-Shok JHP prevents the cloth plug from being driven to the bottom of the cavity, which prevents body fluids from entering the cavity.

9mm Hydra-Shok has a small diameter cavity which is easily plugged by cloth.

Years ago the FBI conducted a test in which they machined off the lead post and tested these modified Hydra-Shok bullets head to head against unmodified Hydra-Shok bullets of the same caliber. The result was the Hydra-Shok bullets without the post exhibited more reliable expansion performance than the unmodified Hydra-Shok bullets.
 
The Hydro-shok was a second generation hollow point designed to have better expansion potential then the standard hollow points at the time it came out.

The post in the middle of the cavity was designed to help fluid dynamics open the hollow point with the slower impact velocities from handguns.

At the time it came out it was "best in breed". Now we have 3rd and 4th generation designs that used computer design to create bullets that expand even better AND retain most (all) if their weight for good penetration depth as well.

Is the Hydro-shok obsolete?...id say it has been out evolved by some newer designs

Are they still a good choice? Yep, if thats what i had a supply of AND they functioned in my gun 100%. I wouldnt feel at all bad about carrying em for SD
 
One analysis showed 100% one-shot stops when fired from a 5" gun.

I'd love to see anything that shows any handgun is a one shot fight stopper 100% of the time.

If the sample size is small, it really doesn't prove much, but back in Hydra-Shok's heyday, there were a lot of people doing all sorts of things with statistics (and goats . . . ) to try to prove one round was better than another.
I've become less interested in one-shot stops, and more so in two-shot stops; some people "give up" after being shot once with anything.
 
wow

Tom, mine have the post also!

Not that its necessarily a great thing. i do know an Army MP that swears by them, though.


Still, i may empty that SD mag, and put the Barnes in it to match the GA Gold Tip mag....
 
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I may be wrong but has the name changed from Hydroshock to just HS and is still avalible ?

There is the Hydra Shok and now the newer design you see mostly marketed as HST. I actually still see Hydra Shoks all the time.
 
They're not cutting-edge anymore, but they're still decent performers, relatively inexpensive, and widely available. Remember, STB's tests are from a 3" barrel, which they were decidedly not designed for, and the 4-layers of denim represent a worst-case scenario of clothing plugging the cavity.

There are better choices available now, but that doesn't mean Hydrashocks are a bad choice by any means. And if you look at STB's .380 tests, the Hydrashocks were one of the best performers.
 
I see hydrashoks all the time around here...

They come in the same clear plastic boxes the HSTs come in. I have to be careful not to grab the hydrashoks by mistake. They are labeled as hydrashok though.

The price is also very similar to the HSTs, maybe a dollar or two less for a box of 25.


I miss the deal I got on HST 124gr +p a few years ago. They were being sold in 50 round standard Federal cardstock boxes that looked identical to the FMJ boxes, but were labeled HST.

Walmart was selling them for $15 a box... I bought 2 boxes, and was kind enough to leave the last box they had on the shelf for the next person. :D
 
a good takeaway...

i guess the bonus would be, it(and HST) do offer a way to affordably practice with your SD round. There are worse problems to have. Although when carrying, the gold point GAs are in the grip mag. i've come to like Georgia Arms ammo a lot. i first learned of them lurking here, so thank you to all TFL members!

Happy Hump,

—Hamsterdam, a.k.a. dave
 
Actually, Hydra-Shock no longer works. Over the years BG structure has changed. Same way as you can no longer kill turkeys with a 2-3/4" 12ga.
 
Danged new bullet resistant feathers on them gobblers. Well, a Duplex round with a couple of .00 buck should remedy that one. YMMV. Always like duplex loads for Turkeys. Now my next task is a economical, but quality reloader for my 9mm, and 30.06...don't figure 22LR is worth reloading as cheap as it is, or was, perhaps.

—Hamsterdam
 
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