FBI goes GLOCK again/still? (Contract award)

I have read that the FBI RFP was written narrowly to buy Sig P320.
But Glock outsmarted them by a ready agreement to delete finger grooves and provide some other as yet unspecified changes.
Gen 5.
 
The FBI can carry what they want. I still don't like Glocks. They flex when they fire, and there isn't any way around it until you get to the 20 or 21.
The 20 is a good gun, but there is a lot more frame to stiffen things up. I don't notice the flex with the Sig or the other polymer frames. Give me a Walther any old day. No on Glocks. I'm glad others like them, just none for me, thank you.
 
When I'm hitting the 10" plate at 50yds with my G26, I don't notice any flex at all, except the plate swinging.
 
The FBI can carry what they want. I still don't like Glocks. They flex when they fire, and there isn't any way around it until you get to the 20 or 21.
The 20 is a good gun, but there is a lot more frame to stiffen things up. I don't notice the flex with the Sig or the other polymer frames. Give me a Walther any old day. No on Glocks. I'm glad others like them, just none for me, thank you.
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Just because you don't notice it doesn't make it better, its still there.
 
Holy cow at some people drinking the fan-boy kool-aid.

"Glock perfection"... Glocks aren't perfect. They ftf just like every other pistol. Occasionally they go kaboom. They are, however, a fine defensive weapon. I wouldn't rate them on the same level as many other platforms (CZ, Sig, and several others), but they are also less expensive than other pistols of equal or better quality. They also have a very aggressive government pricing model. This is why so many militaries and law enforcement agencies carry Glocks.
 
Glock "perfection" is as much about the marketing as the guns...


They're probably better at marketing than making guns, and they make good guns!
 
Laughing at the people who are still trying to bash Glock for XYZ reasons. Guys, those are opinions. They all differ and everyone has them. As for them not being "perfect", I can get behind that. Nothing is.
 
If you place a big enough order, Glock will make you a pistol virtually any way you want it made.
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Leading up to the 2005 adoption of the HK P2000, the US Border Patrol, spearheading for CBP, asked Glock to change some stuff and they flatly refused. They also refused to allow the then duty issue .40 S&W 155 grain JHP to go through the Glock test guns. That contract cost Glock pistols for 20k users, plus replacement pistols in similar amounts, plus parts, plus huge quantities of mags, etc.
 
Large government agencies often get the best bang for your buck. Meaning most reliable product that will get the job done for the cheapest price. Add that to the fact that many rank and file FBI agents are transfers from other local law enforcement agencies who issue Glocks (meaning that they are already familiar with the platform) makes the Glock a natural fit.
That's all this selection means, nothing more. For large contracts Glocks are a great fit for the money (especially with the heavily discounted prices Glock gives to agency purchasers).
But it doesn't mean that Glocks are the be all end all of handguns. Honda Accords are dependable cars and a good deal especially if you can buy them in bulk and get huge discounts. But it doesn't mean that I have to like them or that I want to drive them. I prefer a pickup truck because they are better for my life style. The guns I buy are the same. Glocks are fine, but not what I prefer.
 
...the US Border Patrol, spearheading for CBP, asked Glock to change some stuff and they flatly refused. They also refused to allow the then duty issue .40 S&W 155 grain JHP to go through the Glock test guns.
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Do you have any additional information on this topic? Specifically, what were the changes requested, and what were the specs of the loading in question? I've poked around and am having trouble finding that information.
 
At the end of the day GLOCKS as stupid simple, the gold standard for reliable, shoot pretty much in the direction they are pointed and are damn near serviceable with happy meal prizes as parts.

Of course there are a metric ton of arms that will run with them. Of course they are far from perfect. What they do have thought is a long and well established rep for durability and reliability, a cheap price, a bazillion avenues for parts and service and the added benefit that damn near every LEO on the planet has fielded one.

Perfect? Hell no. I could write paragraphs on Glock issues over the years. That being said are they the "perfect" mix of value/reliability/durability/availability/parts/support and quality control? Probably.....yeah.

I mean they are ugly, uncomfortable guns made by a guy who thinks making an anniversary model is a big deal and releasing a single stack damn near a millennium too late but at the end of the day they are good guns at a great value that offer at least industry standard reliability and durability.

So yeah there are plenty of other options but few tick ALL the checkboxes so to speak.
 
If you are in the FBI, does that mean you have to carry a Glock or can you buy your own carry gun ?
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Yes, Glock only. As of several years ago the only sidearm issued was the Glock. The only sidearm serviced by their armorers was Glock.
 
Maybe some stripped parts after they scrap the frame and likely the other Euro serialized parts.
Can't have guns getting "on the street" don'cha know.
 
I read the link provided. It state that each pistol must be provided with 2 frame sizes. Medium and Large. I know Sig 320 does that . I'm not a Glock guy. Can they do that?
 
Only if you interpret it to mean interchangeable backstraps. Unless Glock is doing something special for them...
 
rightside said:
I read the link provided. It state that each pistol must be provided with 2 frame sizes. Medium and Large. I know Sig 320 does that . I'm not a Glock guy. Can they do that?
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Yes with a version of the G17 (full size) and the G19 (mid size).
 
I still don't like Glocks. They flex when they fire, and there isn't any way around it
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The flex of a B-52's wing is measured in feet. In either case, I don't know if that has been causing problems for the users, but just because I haven't heard of these problems caused by flex doesn't mean they don't exist...
 
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