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FBI duty weapons
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comn-cents
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A 9 year old thread. Really. I've never gripped about someone opening a new thread but searching the Internet and finding one that old and posting on it is a joke.
A 9 year old thread. Really. I've never gripped about someone opening a new thread but searching the Internet and finding one that old and posting on it is a joke.
bamaranger
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Seems like I listened to a speaker or trainer somewhere state that in the 1990's, there were more FBI agents shooting themselves and each other, than felons were shooting agents.
During the gangster/auto bandit era, there is at least one memo documented and viewable on line, where an FBI administrator chastises his men for wanting .45 autos and recommends they stay with the .38 revolver.
The special unit guys were hardline gunfighters recruited for that purpose, but then and now, the Bureau is an investigative agency with a large number of paper pushers.
Seems like I listened to a speaker or trainer somewhere state that in the 1990's, there were more FBI agents shooting themselves and each other, than felons were shooting agents.
During the gangster/auto bandit era, there is at least one memo documented and viewable on line, where an FBI administrator chastises his men for wanting .45 autos and recommends they stay with the .38 revolver.
The special unit guys were hardline gunfighters recruited for that purpose, but then and now, the Bureau is an investigative agency with a large number of paper pushers.
FBI SWAT has the option to carry a target-grade Springfield 1911.
This is why Springfield makes the TRP. A very very nice 1911.
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During the gangster/auto bandit era, there is at least one memo documented and viewable on line, where an FBI administrator chastises his men for wanting .45 autos and recommends they stay with the .38 revolver.
The special unit guys were hardline gunfighters recruited for that purpose, but then and now, the Bureau is an investigative agency with a large number of paper pushers.
They were still carrying .38's and 9mm's in 1986, as evidenced by the Miami/Dade county shootout. Some actually had .357's, but they were loaded with .38 special +p ammo.
That was a historical day that started a lot of changes in their thinking about lighter calibers and cartridges. It ended up with the .40 S&W as the result.
I'm in SE Az, and CCSO (Cochise County Sheriff's Office) was still carrying .38's, or .357 mags loaded with .38's in 1981. I know this simply because it's recorded as their carry handgun(s) during a serious shootout here in Oct, 1981. Not sure exactly when they switched, but I know they've carried 1911's chambered in .45 ACP for something like the last 20 years.
Time's are changing.
Daryl
I carried a .38 loaded with +P ammo up until my retirement. These days I still carry a .38 loaded with +p ammo when doing various security details.
IMO... and this is just my opinion... The FBI is for the most part an investigative service. They are NOT the police. While they are probably the best at forensics, and detailed investigations... dealing with random vilolence is not or has it ever been their cup of tea. I dont think it matters what you arm some people with... If they dont have the sense of tactics to go along with the guns.
Glenn D.
IMO... and this is just my opinion... The FBI is for the most part an investigative service. They are NOT the police. While they are probably the best at forensics, and detailed investigations... dealing with random vilolence is not or has it ever been their cup of tea. I dont think it matters what you arm some people with... If they dont have the sense of tactics to go along with the guns.
Glenn D.
The FBI now issues the Glock 23 to all Special Agents on graduation. Agents are able to purchase and carry the smaller Glock 27 (subcompact 40 cal.) as a back up.
The most commonly used sub-machine gun is the Heckler and Koch MP5/10, the 10mm variant of the famous MP5.
The FBI issues all agents a 12 gauge shotgun and most agents are also issued an M-4 (.223).
The newer guns are issued to the newer graduating class only. Older agents are still authorized to carry any of the guns that they preferred/obtained earlier in their career -- with the possible exception of a couple of guns from the early 90s, like the ill-fated S&W 1076 (IMHO, the Bureau was hampered in its field experience with semi-autos back then, because Hoover famously felt they were for crooks).
The most commonly used sub-machine gun is the Heckler and Koch MP5/10, the 10mm variant of the famous MP5.
The FBI issues all agents a 12 gauge shotgun and most agents are also issued an M-4 (.223).
The newer guns are issued to the newer graduating class only. Older agents are still authorized to carry any of the guns that they preferred/obtained earlier in their career -- with the possible exception of a couple of guns from the early 90s, like the ill-fated S&W 1076 (IMHO, the Bureau was hampered in its field experience with semi-autos back then, because Hoover famously felt they were for crooks).
Old threads...
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the age of a thread. New members get involved regularly and if they see an item of interest why should they not be allowed to bring it back. If it bothers you who are "veterans" on this forum just ignore it and go read another thread.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the age of a thread. New members get involved regularly and if they see an item of interest why should they not be allowed to bring it back. If it bothers you who are "veterans" on this forum just ignore it and go read another thread.
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