Favorite 9mm defense or carry round?
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Greetings, My favorite 9m/m defensive round
would have to be the "infamous Secret Service" round, that nobody seems to know
much about?
I was given a handful of those
rounds, by our local police department range
master.
Looks to be simply either a 115 grain or 124 grain Federal Hydra-Shok. At any
rate, it offers good penetration with controlled expansion. Can't get any agent's
to confirm that this is what is really is?
Probably a round that is suitable for both,
sidearms and sub machine guns!!!
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
PS: Second choice would be the illegal and
original black talon's by Winchester.
would have to be the "infamous Secret Service" round, that nobody seems to know
much about?
I was given a handful of thoserounds, by our local police department range
master.
Looks to be simply either a 115 grain or 124 grain Federal Hydra-Shok. At anyrate, it offers good penetration with controlled expansion. Can't get any agent's
to confirm that this is what is really is?
Probably a round that is suitable for both,
sidearms and sub machine guns!!!
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
PS: Second choice would be the illegal and
original black talon's by Winchester.
I alternate my ammo every other round between Remington 124gr Golden Saber and Speer 147 Gold Dot for wide expansion and deep penetration. Individually, Marshall & Sanow rates them as having 83% and 77% effectiveness respectfully. However, it has been speculated (using Marshall & Sanow's estimated techniques) that a closely spaced double tap using this alternating ammo might be potentially more damaging (96% effectiveness) than a double tap with two rounds of either the heavy/slow (77%) or two rounds of the light/fast (83%).
Share what you know, learn what you don't -- FUD
Share what you know, learn what you don't -- FUD
Mike Irwin
Staff
Federal Hydrashok 115-gr. +P or +P+ when I can find it at the occasional gunshow. Or when a cop friend takes pity on me and gives me some of his.
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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
The bottom line, is that in 9MM, the Corbon 115 Gr. +P, leads the caliber with a 91% 1 shot stop probability based on actual shootings.
It is 10 grains and 50-75 feet per second slower than the most effective and proven defensive load ever made for a handgun, the 125 grain FMJ .357 Magnum!
I don't think the threat will feel the difference...........
It is 10 grains and 50-75 feet per second slower than the most effective and proven defensive load ever made for a handgun, the 125 grain FMJ .357 Magnum!
I don't think the threat will feel the difference...........
GIT_SOME.45
New member
I agree with Scooter...
Cor-Bon 115gr. +P JHP...
BANG...BANG...BANG...( TRIPLE TAP, 2 CHEST, 1 OCCULAR-CRANIAL OR BEST HEADSHOT...)
ASSESS,
REPEAT IF NECESSARY...
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SHOOT,COMMUNICATE AND MOVE OUT !
Cor-Bon 115gr. +P JHP...
BANG...BANG...BANG...( TRIPLE TAP, 2 CHEST, 1 OCCULAR-CRANIAL OR BEST HEADSHOT...)
ASSESS,
REPEAT IF NECESSARY...
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SHOOT,COMMUNICATE AND MOVE OUT !
I used to rely on Cor-Bon almost exclusively until it was reported that they were having a number of quality control issues -- not to mention the fact that several former employees purposely sabatoges cases & cases of their ammo. Fot thise reason I switched to Gold Dot & Golden Saber. Additionally, while [Link to invalid post] rates Cor-Bon very highly, the Fackerites rate it ratherly low. I'm not saying that they are right because I don't know. However, I would rather not place all of my eggs in Marshall & Sanow's basket in case they are wrong. I would like to spread my odds around a little and both groups rate Gold Dot & Golden Saber in the middle range. Something to think about unless you have first hand experience in this area. Regards,
FUD
Share what you know, learn what you don't.
** UPDATE On Cor-Bon Quality **
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FUD
Share what you know, learn what you don't.
** UPDATE On Cor-Bon Quality **
[This message has been edited by FUD (edited June 16, 2000).]
Hi all,
I use the Remington Golden Saber 124gr JHP.
I use it simply because out of the various defence rounds I tried, Rem. GS were the most accurate in my gun.
As to how they perform, I pray to God that I never have to find out, even though, I prepare to do so if needed.
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I use the Remington Golden Saber 124gr JHP.
I use it simply because out of the various defence rounds I tried, Rem. GS were the most accurate in my gun.
As to how they perform, I pray to God that I never have to find out, even though, I prepare to do so if needed.
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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!
Defend the Constitution from the foreign threat!!!!
"Man killing is nasty business"---Finn Aggard
Right now,Golden Saber 124gr+P JHP. A little slower,a little bigger. Just got 200 rds of Pro-Load with the same stats and I'm going to the range today to check it out. Lot cheaper than the G/S and I've been hearing good things about it. Thinking about alternating it with Cor-Bon 115gr+P(love that round for some reason).
Ronin
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Ronin
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I like the 124 grain loadings by Remington, Federal, Winchester, and Hornady, but because the only 9mm I carry is a Kel Tec P11, I carry 115 grain Hornady custom for the chambered round, followed by a magazine of 115g FMJ (for good feeding). The little gun barely jumps with the little loading, and I can practice all day long with the cheap 115g FMJ without breaking the bank, the gun, nor my technique. (I'm very strong on practicing regularly with your carry load.) I don't know about y'all, but I can't afford to shoot a couple of magazines of CorBon every time I hit the range! 
I like a lot your comments above, because it appears that some thought's been given to your selection.
Remember that, whatever your stats on paper may read, the ultimate test is reliability and accuracy out of YOUR personal handgun. The cost of doing a comprehensive test of all the major brands through your pistol is about the cost of taking 3 or 4 friends to dinner at a decent restaraunt. Isn't that pittance worth your safety?
I like a lot your comments above, because it appears that some thought's been given to your selection.
Remember that, whatever your stats on paper may read, the ultimate test is reliability and accuracy out of YOUR personal handgun. The cost of doing a comprehensive test of all the major brands through your pistol is about the cost of taking 3 or 4 friends to dinner at a decent restaraunt. Isn't that pittance worth your safety?
GIT_SOME.45
New member
FUD,
That`s kinda scary, Cor-Bon employees sabotaging ammo...
Do you have any particulars about when this happened?? Let me know if you have any other info... I would definitly like to know.
Thanks, and hope you got my last e-mail.
.45
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That`s kinda scary, Cor-Bon employees sabotaging ammo...
Do you have any particulars about when this happened?? Let me know if you have any other info... I would definitly like to know.
Thanks, and hope you got my last e-mail.
.45
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.45, yes, I got your last e-mail. With regard to the Cor-Bon story, I saw this topic posted on the web and even read about it in a few gunrags as well. The way that I remember it is that a handful of unhappy employees starting sabatoging ammo. They were caught & fired. Other legal action might have been taken against them as well. My understanding is that Cor-Bon's current production line is fine. However, there are cases of the bad stuff out there with either too much or too little powder and bad primers.
The percentage of bad stuff compared to the good stuff is relatively small but we're still talking about cases and cases of the stuff and there have been reports of Cor-Bon ammo failing to fire which was traced back to this sabatoge by the former empolyees.
The ammo was shipped to distributors who then shipped it to other wholesalers who them shipped it to retailers which means that the bad stuff isn't isolated to one part of the country but could be all over the place.
Additionally, it isn't the entire box that is bad but only a handful of rounds per box so you can't test it out by seeing if one round fires and assume that the rest of them are fine. Since there is no way to be sure, I removed Cor-Bon from all of my guns and now I have 300 rounds of the stuff just sitting around which I suspect I will one day shoot off at the range as soon as I bring up the courage to shoot off that much money.
Again, this happened with stuff that was made a few years ago and the new stuff is fine. However, the boxes don't have a date on them as to when they were made -- only a lot number. Cor-Bon was not able to identify which runs were impacted. Their official statement on the matter was that there was a problem but that it was corrected. When asked if the bad stuff was recalled, they did not comment which IMPLIES to me that it was NOT especially since they do not know which lots were affected.
Anyone who has more details about this, please feel free to add and/or correct anything that I have said or might have left out.
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The percentage of bad stuff compared to the good stuff is relatively small but we're still talking about cases and cases of the stuff and there have been reports of Cor-Bon ammo failing to fire which was traced back to this sabatoge by the former empolyees.
The ammo was shipped to distributors who then shipped it to other wholesalers who them shipped it to retailers which means that the bad stuff isn't isolated to one part of the country but could be all over the place.
Additionally, it isn't the entire box that is bad but only a handful of rounds per box so you can't test it out by seeing if one round fires and assume that the rest of them are fine. Since there is no way to be sure, I removed Cor-Bon from all of my guns and now I have 300 rounds of the stuff just sitting around which I suspect I will one day shoot off at the range as soon as I bring up the courage to shoot off that much money.
Again, this happened with stuff that was made a few years ago and the new stuff is fine. However, the boxes don't have a date on them as to when they were made -- only a lot number. Cor-Bon was not able to identify which runs were impacted. Their official statement on the matter was that there was a problem but that it was corrected. When asked if the bad stuff was recalled, they did not comment which IMPLIES to me that it was NOT especially since they do not know which lots were affected.
Anyone who has more details about this, please feel free to add and/or correct anything that I have said or might have left out.
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VictorLouis
New member
AlaDan, the SS's load was supposed to have been the Rem. 115+P+ before they switched to the .357 Sig. Mike, I have Fed.'s 9BPLE myself, but I have never seen the +P+ HydraShok that you describe. No offense implied, but are you sure it's a HS bullet design? If so, I'd like to get some of it.
As to the CorBon, they should be able to tell you, by the lot number, if your ammo is post-"problem". That would eliminate the concern and allow you to get a more readily available version of the above style loads. Just my $.02
As to the CorBon, they should be able to tell you, by the lot number, if your ammo is post-"problem". That would eliminate the concern and allow you to get a more readily available version of the above style loads. Just my $.02
Mike Irwin
Staff
VictorLouis,
The +P+ Hydrashok load is a "police only" loading. I should have noted that in my post, instead of just alluding to it.
Federal will only sell it to registered police agencies, but quite a bit will leak out through wholesalers, etc., at times, meaning that you can occasionally find it at gun shows.
It definitely is the Hydrashot centerpost bullet.
A couple of years ago I shot a 5-gallon bucket that I had filled with water and sealed with the lid (drywall mud bucket, so it was water tight). I did this with a couple of rounds. Only the .357 Mag. and the +P+ Hydrashok literally blew the bucket apart.
The bullet was very nicely mushroomed.
I find that information to be EXTREMELY useful, as random attacks perpetrated by 5-gallon buckets are on the rise here in Northern Virginia.
The +P+ Hydrashok load is a "police only" loading. I should have noted that in my post, instead of just alluding to it.
Federal will only sell it to registered police agencies, but quite a bit will leak out through wholesalers, etc., at times, meaning that you can occasionally find it at gun shows.
It definitely is the Hydrashot centerpost bullet.
A couple of years ago I shot a 5-gallon bucket that I had filled with water and sealed with the lid (drywall mud bucket, so it was water tight). I did this with a couple of rounds. Only the .357 Mag. and the +P+ Hydrashok literally blew the bucket apart.
The bullet was very nicely mushroomed.
I find that information to be EXTREMELY useful, as random attacks perpetrated by 5-gallon buckets are on the rise here in Northern Virginia.
Stephen A. Camp
Staff In Memoriam
Hello. I use Triton 124 gr +P JHPs or the Cor*Bon version of the same thing. Barring either of those, Speer 124 gr +P Gold Dots.
Best.
Best.
David Scott
New member
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GIT_SOME.45:
I agree with Scooter...
Cor-Bon 115gr. +P JHP...
BANG...BANG...BANG...( TRIPLE TAP, 2 CHEST, 1 OCCULAR-CRANIAL OR BEST HEADSHOT...)
ASSESS,
REPEAT IF NECESSARY...
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Works great with one assailant, but if there's a crowd the other guys may get you while you're triple-tapping BG#1. What then?
I agree with Scooter...
Cor-Bon 115gr. +P JHP...
BANG...BANG...BANG...( TRIPLE TAP, 2 CHEST, 1 OCCULAR-CRANIAL OR BEST HEADSHOT...)
ASSESS,
REPEAT IF NECESSARY...
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Works great with one assailant, but if there's a crowd the other guys may get you while you're triple-tapping BG#1. What then?
Claemore70
Moderator
My favorite 9 round would have to be the Winchester 127 grain +P+ black talon. I shot this into wet phone books, and it tore the s**t out of them. Penetration was good, and it looked like a tiny grenade had gone off in them!
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