Fastest Draw position?

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Glenn Dee:
I'm not one to carry any kind of pocket pistol, and gym bags are out of place in many scenarios.
The trick is to percieve the danger in time to react before it's upon you.
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What happens in those less-than-ten-feet encounters? You can't keep everyone at 7yds+ all the time, and no one can stay switched on 24/7/365.
 
With regard to concerns about muzzle sweeping (and for surprisingly as yet unmentioned concerns about a BG trying to grab one's gun), one can minimize both problems by blading weak hand side toward the threat. This has the dual advantage of positioning the weak hand for a shove or parry, and reducing required lateral travel of the gun by about 90 degrees. (Helps speed, reduces sweep potential for bystanders, and also presents the grip at a much more challenging angle for a BG gun grab attempt.)

Blading can be accomplished by advancing on the weak side foot, retreating on the strong side foot, pivoting on the ball of either foot, or any combo of the above.
 
Smince..

I see your point. I'm not suggesting that you or anyone carry a firearm off body. In fact I dont think women should even carry one in their handbag. What I am suggesting is once you percieve a threat, you can draw, and place your gun in a gym bag, or purse, or tool bag, or outer pocket, or someplace it would be hidden from view and still give you the advantage of being first on the gun if the situation calls for it.

As far as a threat getting within 7 yards?... IMO if an armed threat is within 7 yards of you. And your not already on the gun... you may have a problem. I do understand your point. I'm from an extremely congested city, and now live in a suburban neighborhood. From time to time I work in another congested somewhat dangerous city. I get that you cant always keep a buffer zone around yourself. This is when, and why situational awareness becomes a lot more critical.
 
And Oh Yeah...

My radar is on 24/7. I'm always looking for the unusual, or out of place. When out in public I look everyone passing me in the eye, and notice things out of place I do sudden visual sweeps of my rear at random. I never sit in public with my back to the door. I always look for cover when ever I enter anyplace When in locations that I consider could be trouble I always look for a fighting position, and what around me could be turned into a weapon. I never drive through my neighborhood the same way twice. I always drive past my home at least once before pulling in to park.

I'm like this 24/7... My kids tease me about it. I dont even notice i'm doing it. But guess what my kids do when they are out.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that most of the forum members have the same or similar learned behaviour problems...




Glenn D.
 
A cross draw will beat a hip draw every time. Try it yourself; without the bias to prove yourself right for the past 20 years.
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Is this how the fastest guns in the world carry prior to the draw? Bob Munden was the fastest and he didn't draw cross draw. Eighteen time champs holster location seems to suggest that you are wrong.
 
My kids tease me about it.
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So when your kid's tease you about this, doesn't it take your mind off your awareness?

You never ever get distracted by them or your wife? Not even for just the second or two it would take to end up on the bad end of a fight?

Come on now - you can admit it to us.

;)
 
I was not aware of Bob Munden so I did some Googling.

You should do the same.
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I have been watching Munden for over a decade. His speed rig is on his hip although he does carry cross draw also.

Watch the speed draw events also and they carry strongside.

But really all you need do is measure the amount of travel required by the barrel to be on target. If you think cross draw has less movement I say get another ruler.

The fastest guys simply pull the gun out and cam it down forcing the barrel to flip up as it is leaves the rig. There is no wasted motion and certainly no having to turn 90 degrees once leather is clear.

Whats the fastest just watch the fastest. Its the strong side hip.
 
Smince... Sir...

My point is this...I make it a habit to be aware of my surroundings, and the people around me. It's become second nature to me. Thats all. I'm sure there are things that you do I might consider unrealistic.

And no, I dont loose site of my surroundings when my kids tease me. We have a great relationship, and truely enjoy each others company.

I'm not saying that I'm never distracted...
 
I'm with MLEAKE @ #23 on this one. I am very comfortable with a cross draw, and blading your body protects your strong side. If your body is weak side towards the threat, as soon as you clear the holster you are on basic target (especially if it is up close and personal). My weak (left) hand can also afford protection form the threat while the pistol is retrieved, or can help protect the pistol if the threat is too close. Cross draw is most comfortable to me, both in a belt carry or shoulder rig. Just my .02c.
Situational awareness is always your best protection.
 
Another point on the cross draw. When we carry strong side hip it keeps the holster closer to the strong side hand most often. In an emergency or surprise situation you will likely be closer to the holster from the start. Less travel to the holster equals faster.

Blading is a great tactic when carrying cross draw as mentioned. Its just not faster on average.
 
threegun, I usually prefer strongside carry; crossdraw is normally reserved for shoulder rigs, or for hunting when a revolver is carried in addition to a long gun.

I am not a good enough rider to shoot from horseback, or that might be another case for crossdraw (disrupts balance less than a strongside draw).

But the thing is, strongside belt is not an option for some. My 69yo father lacks the range of motion in his shoulder for it; he either has to carry strongside front pocket, or crossdraw belt. For him, strongside belt is impossible, let alone not fastest.

YMMV.
 
But the thing is, strongside belt is not an option for some. My 69yo father lacks the range of motion in his shoulder for it; he either has to carry strongside front pocket, or crossdraw belt. For him, strongside belt is impossible, let alone not fastest.
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I was just answering the OP's question. You gotta play to your limitations or needs. If I was mostly seated in a vehicle I would cross draw as its more convenient and faster. If as your father I had medical conditions that forced a certain way of carry or non at all, I would quickly switch to the way I could carry.
 
"Appendix carry has been found to be a faster draw for most folks, and it stands to reason that cross draw in a forward position, in front of the hip, would be faster than a standard hip/behind the hip as well."

Agreed.
 
The hip on your dominant hand is not only the best but the quickest

Think about this, since pistols moved past leather holsters with straps across your shoulder have you seen any war fighters side draw?
 
Unless you are a Fast Draw Demonstration Show competitor you are not competing against the guys doing that. Very few of us are good enough to even think about besting them or even coming close. And those guys practice, practice, practice. Few of us do that.

To me. the question of fastest draw is what is fastest for you. You are competing against yourself, not the National Champions. And I believe competition draws forbid a cross draw because of safety.

The question, with no qualifiers, is not about how to conceal carry. I, personally, do not CC a cross draw because no matter how I try it always prints. Also, I believe that a self defense situation will not depend on a fast draw, but on a sneaky draw. Yep, I’ll be sneaky if it’s needed.

When checking the timber on my property I open carry cross draw, but that’s a different situation than the Wal-Mart parking lot.

So, try it. Use a video camera for timing. Be aware that a cross draw will sweep everything and everyone on your weak side so clear that area of pets and persons. And forget “how it’s supposed to be done” because that’s what the movies showed.
 
I carry strong side IWB but I do have a crossdraw holster. I can get on target faster from IWB even with a cover garment, than with a CD. My friend was with me when a dog attacked me and I shot into the grass in front of it to turn the dog, and later my friend told me that he never seen anyone draw a gun so fast, like it appeared in my hand.

I can not do that with a crossdraw holster. Of course it is because I have trained and trained drawing from concealment, much more than practicing crossdraw. Cross draw feels a little weird to me and the dynamics of the draw are very different than IWB. The safety release on the draw is a slight fumble compared to IWB.
 
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