Well youngster how far away do you think most fights occurred? They didn't happen in the middle of the street at 50 yards with the sun high in the sky, that was HollyWeird, They were up close and personal often indoors where you couldn't get more than 20' away from each other. Or they were outside near your living/working space and a shotgun was often the only gun the defender owned.
Fantasy and reality
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Andy Griffith
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The NCOWS group caters to the more authentically dressed and armed individuals, are are closer to a "reenactment" mentality than most SASS/ cowboy action shoots. There can be a difference in $$$$ too, as the more historically correct you want to go, the more $$$$ you'll likely have to invest.
There is a little piece in it for everyone if you are willing to work toward what you want and ignore the gamers and others that want to push personal agendas onto other shooters that just want to enjoy themselves at a pleasurable hobby.
Just try to find some like minded folks locally, and go shooting with them.
If you don't- just be a curmudgeon and have fun by yourself like some of the rest of us.
Maybe instead of "cowboy action" I'll suggest we have a "cowboy slow motion" match at the range...with pistol targets at 25 yards, and rifle targets at 50 and 70 yards- that'd throw a wrench in the works. It'd sure be interesting.
There is a little piece in it for everyone if you are willing to work toward what you want and ignore the gamers and others that want to push personal agendas onto other shooters that just want to enjoy themselves at a pleasurable hobby.
Just try to find some like minded folks locally, and go shooting with them.
If you don't- just be a curmudgeon and have fun by yourself like some of the rest of us.
Maybe instead of "cowboy action" I'll suggest we have a "cowboy slow motion" match at the range...with pistol targets at 25 yards, and rifle targets at 50 and 70 yards- that'd throw a wrench in the works. It'd sure be interesting.
FL-Flinter
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Well, back when I shot comp, it was see how many 8" plates you can hit as fast as you can ... one pistol round was seven plates at 7yds, seven more at 15 and seven more at 25yds - all with full power loads and usually after sprinting through an obstacle course ... so what's your point? Not trying to be rude but one wishing to be capable of defending their family, let alone a gunfighter, ought to be able to make a respectable number of hits on a 16" bull at 21 feet with their eyes closed.
I don't get into the rules issue, whatever they are, they are and as long as the CAS matches are getting people out shooting and promoting responsible gun ownership, I'm all good with it!
What shooting discipline is "comp"?
" Not trying to be rude but one wishing to be capable of defending their family, let alone a gunfighter, ought to be able to make a respectable number of hits on a 16" bull at 21 feet with their eyes closed."
True, but do you think you'd never miss on these targets if shooting at top speed?
Did someone claim that this was supposed to be tactical training? Mark
" Not trying to be rude but one wishing to be capable of defending their family, let alone a gunfighter, ought to be able to make a respectable number of hits on a 16" bull at 21 feet with their eyes closed."
True, but do you think you'd never miss on these targets if shooting at top speed?
Did someone claim that this was supposed to be tactical training? Mark
Shotgun693
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I've never seen any shooting competition, using a handgun that came anywhere close to a real shooting. SASS is as good as any of'm for training a person to shoot under pressure.
FL-Flinter
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If you're shooting "fast" and not hitting anything, what's the point? Speed comes with practice, hits don't come with speed.
FL-Flinter
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I didn't say one "can't miss" ... I said, "there's no point in shooting fast if you can't hit" because then it's nothing more than "spray & pray". What seems to be the miscommunication?
I think the you-tube videos really do a 'dis-service' to SASS. When I think of SASS, I think of my .45 Colt revolvers and how I load them and use them. Then you go watch the videos and see 'em shoot 'puff' loads where the barrel barely rises.... In rifle too. Might as well shoot bb guns...That is a turn off to me.... and I wonder to how many others? Yes, I know it takes skill. Shoot, when I add speed to my shooting, no longer am I hitting as often! That said, I do understand though there are other categories you can shoot the more authentic fire power where 'good' blackpowder loads are required (something they call frontier?) .... So those who wish to, can. Just the videos give a 'mis-conception' of what is really offered through SASS... All I am saying!
Shotgun693
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IMO, the only real problem with SASS is that the Gamers insist on having an overall winner. If they'd just go with winners in each category a lot of the powder puff stuff would go away. I will, however, continue to shoot SASS if and until something better shows up locally.
yeah my experience in SASS was not good. If you weren't competitive you weren't crap. Being exposed to that kind of herd clique mentality turned me off. I'm sure it was me, expecting people to shoot real loads on an equal footing. The puff loads that you can reach out and catch with your hand were NOT in the ''spirit of the game''. I started to try a new club but realized I'd still be shooting around the old bunch during matches so I gave it up....still got a full complement of guns and equipment though.
"I didn't say one "can't miss" ... I said, "there's no point in shooting fast if you can't hit" because then it's nothing more than "spray & pray". What seems to be the miscommunication?"
The miscommunication comes when it's pointed out that a person shooting an entire match of big and close targets, at top speed, will probably have a miss or two. Even a good shooter. We're talking 1 or 2 misses, maybe. You then comment about someone "shooting fast and not hitting anything", as opposed to someone shooting fast and having 1 or 2 misses in a match.
Of course, there's not much point to someone shooting fast that can't hit any targets. But someone shooting at top speed, even on big and close targets, and hitting nearly every one, through an entire match, isn't "spraying and praying". Mark
The miscommunication comes when it's pointed out that a person shooting an entire match of big and close targets, at top speed, will probably have a miss or two. Even a good shooter. We're talking 1 or 2 misses, maybe. You then comment about someone "shooting fast and not hitting anything", as opposed to someone shooting fast and having 1 or 2 misses in a match.
Of course, there's not much point to someone shooting fast that can't hit any targets. But someone shooting at top speed, even on big and close targets, and hitting nearly every one, through an entire match, isn't "spraying and praying". Mark
Shotgun693
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There is no handgun shooting game that comes close to copying real life. I've been in some gunfights and while you might train for'm you can't have a competition based on'm. No one would want to fire 3 rounds and go do paperwork for three hours. 'Die Hard' was a movie. CAS is good sport and fun and teaches you how to shoot under a little stress, that's about all you can hope for with any shooting game.
FL-Flinter
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SG29736,
The original quote I commented on is:
Point being "...firing as fast as you can..." Fine and dandy, if you can hit what you're shooting at.
Seriously dude, you all chafed from your chaps or what
The original quote I commented on is:
Point being "...firing as fast as you can..." Fine and dandy, if you can hit what you're shooting at.
Seriously dude, you all chafed from your chaps or what
I'm not saying that shooting big and close targets and hitting them at top speed is the greatest shooting accomplishment in the world. But we are talking about people who do it and "hit" the targets. You keep referencing people shooting fast and not hitting anything, spraying and praying. If you are hitting the targets, you're not shooting spray and pray style. No chafing here. I was out shooting an ICORE match yesterday. IDPA, next week. Back hurt alittle though. I shoot blackpowder 44-40 and 44 Russian loads when I shoot cowboy. Mark