extreme shock?

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I love the ES homepage graphic. Same guy, three poses....and then some bad coloring to make one image darker-skinned.
I would waste my money on DRT instead, they at least have girls on the box.
.....of course, so does Land-O-Lakes butter.






















Mmmmmmmmmmmm.......butter.
 
I wouldn't want to be shot with one! Any volunteers?
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That's not the question. I don't want to get shot with a BB gun. That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

The vast majority of the time the fight stops for psychological reasons. The crook doesn't want to get shot. If that worked all the time, cops would be carrying 22 rimfires as their primary sidearm.

The fact is that sometimes getting shot is not enough of a deterrent and so you have to shoot the person and shoot them good enough to stop their actions. On the hardware side that is done with a combination of the type of gun, cartridge, and bullet.
 
I love how every discussion on the Internet about firearms, ammo, etc always ends with someone asking if anyone wants to get shot with one of these. If that was a valid way to assess lethality, I'd say we'd all be walking aorund with a package of eggs, because after all, does anyone really want to get eggs thrown at him?
 
If that was a valid way to assess lethality, I'd say we'd all be walking aorund with a package of eggs, because after all, does anyone really want to get eggs thrown at him?
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I'll outgun them by having a piece of dog poo on a stick.
 
There was a video on one of the "World's Dumbest Criminals" shows...

... where a British shopkeeper defended against a robber using a mop soaked in urine... The kid ran away very, very quickly.

So maybe the dog poo on a stick could work...
 
...or I could just invest in a supply of credible, tested standard hollowpoints and avoid the whole silly shebang.

Say, do those elbow pads make me look fat? Be honest, guys :)
 
I bought three cases of this stuff because each case came with seriously deadly ninja throwing stars. Everybody knows you have to have at least three ninja throwing stars. Sheesh.
 
I can't believe nobody has pointed out the "Anti Terrorist Munitions" tagline they use all the time. EDIT: Somebody beat me to it.

My brother and I saw it at a gun show and laughed so hard we had to walk away. We joked that the ammo only kills terrorists, so it's a great way to find out if somebody's a terrorist - just pop them in the arm with an Extreme Shock, and if they die - TERRORIST! :eek:

Another favorite of mine: their nameplates on their ninja uniforms say "Agent". I wonder how they settled on that? "How about 'operative'?" "Nah, too secretive". "Police?" "No way, no police officer would use this junk."

This one is just too good! Bullets that won't shoot through a CHAIR!!!
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That's nothing...Hollywood invented those years ago.
 
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That's not the question. I don't want to get shot with a BB gun. That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

The vast majority of the time the fight stops for psychological reasons. The crook doesn't want to get shot. If that worked all the time, cops would be carrying 22 rimfires as their primary sidearm.

The fact is that sometimes getting shot is not enough of a deterrent and so you have to shoot the person and shoot them good enough to stop their actions. On the hardware side that is done with a combination of the type of gun, cartridge, and bullet.
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A lot of speculation saying they're junk with no actual experience with them.

Does that mean they wouldn't be effective?

The .380 are 90g claimed to go 1130fps. If that's true, that would be a pretty effective round IMO.
 
weight and velocity are only part of the equation...

... the other part being bullet construction.

Based on the boxotruth.com results, the bullet construction for these rounds may not be so effective.
 
A lot of speculation saying they're junk with no actual experience with them.
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What kind of experience, short of actually using these rounds in an SD situation, would truly substantiate the claim that the rounds will "collapse the central nervous system" and so on?
 
What is most disturbing to me is that people will read the website and be suckered into believing the nonsense. So the company that makes this garbage is making money (hopefully not enough!). Sad but true.
 
A lot of speculation saying they're junk with no actual experience with them.

Does that mean they wouldn't be effective?
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Personally, I doubt I could ever get past the ad copy enough to actually evaluate the stuff.

They're at least mildly confused about what a logarithm is, they confuse units of measure (though "density mass" does remind me of a scene in Back to the Future), they've taken it upon themselves to repeal a law of our physical universe which describes the behavior of fragments thrown off from a spinning body (if they were right about "rotational cones" we'd have no story of David and Goliath as David would simply have pranged himself in the foot).

But it may have had something to do with the bad physics in Wanted which at least gave us an episode of Mythbusters for entertainment.


Let's say someone was trying to sell you a truck for 4 times what you were planning on spending but told you that, since the framistat was made out of a matrix of bombastium and bolonium it would bounce off toddlers and nuns in a collision but easily penetrate concrete bridge abutments and freight trains thus offering total safety to the occupants and innocent pedestrians while dealing death and destruction to anything that deserved it.

The bombastium / bolonium matrix also forces gravel thrown up by the tires to follow the tires rotation rather than flying off in a straight line thus minimizing damage to the paint and other vehicles.

You likely wouldn't buy it as, like most of us, you would feel insulted by the disconnect from reality / probable exaggeration. Alternatively, you might feel pity if the salesperson actually believed his spiel but not enough pity to pony up the extra money.

Either someone at ES
1. Hasn't read the ad copy or
2. Read it and believed it or
3. Read it and knew better but felt it was ok to lay on his potential customers.

None of these three alternatives fill me with desire to give the stuff a trial. If there's a fourth alternative, I'll be pleased to hear it.

Generally, any product invoking Majick Obscura, or its equivalent, to explain its performance gives me pause.
 
"A lot of speculation saying they're junk with no actual experience with them."

I have no actual experience with magic beans either, but probably would not purchase them.
 
LOL, this has turned into a better thread than i ever thought possible.;)
I never actually believed the hype, actually never saw the website pics until this thread. like i said, seems like alot of poop to me, but, i never tried frangibles, and........:o
one weekend i'll figure out the camera and do some range tests on the ES 380
Oh, did i mention that ES comes in a very nice box with a foam insert??
 
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