Extra Soft .45s

DIRTY HP38 Load

I recently started using a load I like, but would enjoy it a lot more if it wasn't the DIRTIEST thing I ever shot!
I am using---
5.2gr HP38
185gr Berry's FN
CCI large primers
X-Treme and Magtech (CBC) brass
1.174 COL
0.4715- 0.472 'crimp'
What say you?
Would 5.5 run any cleaner?
The additional recoil should be minimal.
'preesh8 some input from those of you that use Win231
or HP38!
 
If you are running a .45 ACP The lighter bullet, and the low charge weight could be it. Hodgdon lists a max load of 5.9 grains so I would bump it up to 5.5 to 5.7 Grains. Lighter bullets tend to run sooty at low pressure.
 
If you can find a can of Trail Boss I would advise giving it a try. I had good results for light target loads that would cycle the action on my .45 ACP guns while being the cleanest burning powder for target pistol loads there is. No other powder will burn cleaner at low pressure. None.
 
Uncle.45,

I have merged your two threads as they are really connected and you can see already the from the above comment that having it separate disconnected the discussion from fact you are trying to get a light load to work.


A few thoughts on both topics:

One is that the RNFP shape is a CAS load shape and has a shorter bearing surface than the 185 grain SWC's we used to shoot in matches. This means it doesn't seat as deeply, leaving more room under the bullet and that extra volume will lower the pressure, make ignition a little slower and on both accounts will contribute to a little more fouling being present. I've always used a shape more like the 185 grain SWC on the Dardas site. He gives TFL members a 5% discount, IIRC, so it might be one to try. Missouri Bullets has the same shape listed at .45 Button and has a coated version if you prefer that, but no discount.

Any time a spherical powder seems to fail to burn well, try a magnum primer. The larger shower of sparks helps them get burning. CCI reformulated their magnum primers in 1989 specifically to improve the ignition of the St. Marks ball powder formulations, of which OBP231 (sold in canister grade as HP38 and 231) is one.

Another way to improve start pressure is to get the bullet into contact with the lands before the case mouth reaches the end of the chamber. This is called headspacing on the bullet. It increases accuracy both by improving ignition consistency and by aligning the bullet with the bore, and it also reduces leading because of that better alignment. The main limitation is that some bullets seated out that far no longer feed from the magazine properly. Also, seating out that far might leave your particular bullet short of enough seating depth to feed without tipping the bullet. You'd have to try it out to see. It is done as shown third from the left, below. You use the barrel as a gauge to set your seating depth so a round dropped into the chamber has its head face flush with the barrel extension (hood).

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Beyond that, while the gun functions well with full power ammunition, it may need some slicking up to work with lighter loads. Since I can't inspect it, I can't say, but a gunsmith might recommend a reliability package in which he may radius and polish the feed ramp, break corners on the locking lugs, and so on to improve overall feed and function, and possibly lap it lightly in places. Stainless steels can be grabby compared to plain and carbon steels. This is the reason early stainless guns were often faulted for galling. The alloys now used are generally better, but not as easily made slick at plain and carbon steels.

That said, there are lubricants you can get that are permanent or semi-permanent that may help. One of these could be applied to barrel locking lugs and link lugs, to the slide and the disconnector, to the frame rails, to the firing pin stop, etc. These parts can affect either unlocking or locking. Sprinco Plate+ Silver has worked well for me. Shooter's Solutions MolyFusion makes an even more obvious difference, turning the metal surface almost waxy feeling, but it has a tiny thickness to it (half a thousandth, IIRC) and is more expensive to buy into, so I think it would be my second choice for tight fitting parts.
 
Only W-231. Old stock. Has always been a clean burning powder for me. Than again everything powder measured on my bench is close to Max or beyond. I don't think I ever beam scaled frugal bottom line loads in my time. But, To each their own.
 
Thanks Unclenick!
Since I am not recoil-shy like the wife, I decided I don't care about loading extra low any more.
I would like for the loads I make for my 1911 to run cleaner than this mess, though.
Right now I have 8# of HP38 and 2,000 rnfp 185gr bullets I want to use up before exploring other loads. The bullets won't last long, so when they are about gone I will look at some SWCs.
BTW- I recently purchased 1,000 Federal large pistol primers, but was mistakenly sent Federal large magnum rifle primers.
When I notified Natchez they sent the right primers, and didn't ask for the rifle primers back.
Is it possible to safely use these? My 1911 has a 23# hammer spring. Hopefully it would ignite them, but I want to stay safe of course.
 
I looked at the Dardas site. That may be a good next bullet for me. My interest is only for punching paper. I have plenty of well-tested SD ammo.
What is considered to be target velocities?
Anything less than 700fps or something else?
 
uncle.45, I just finished up my first pound of HP-38 and like it very much in my 9mm, my 380acp doesn't like it at all. I will continue to use it for my 9mm as for me it is clean and economical.

Was with a friend was week to the range and he brought his 44 lever carbine along and let me shoot it. At first he had his regular full power handloads that he also uses in his revolver and that was a lot of fun with a pretty good kick. He then brought out a load that he uses in cowboy action and it turned that lever Marlin 44 into what felt like a 22 mag. What a difference.

He did tell me what the load was and what powder he used but I truly do not remember. I was truly amazed that the rifle could be turned into such a soft shooter.
 
Uncle.45,

Unlike small rifle and small pistol primers, which are the same size, large rifle primers are taller than large pistol primers, so they won't seat properly into large pistol primer pockets. They also make too much gas, and if you could make them fit and fire, they would tend to unseat the bullets ahead of the powder gas doing it, which leads to erratic muzzle velocities.
 
My wife doesn't like my chili. Or my stew. Or this or that. she is sort of spoiled and whiny. It makes me mad as a wet hen when she takes a bite and frowns because the chicken is a bit overdone. Sometimes I remind her that she can take it or leave it, that there are tacos only a mile away.

Your wife should just toughen up and take the recoil rather than ask you to create ill performing loads to fit her desires.

Just my thoughts.
 
Life is good!!

I loaded some 4.5gr, 5.0gr, and 5.5gr rounds, and also brought some factory ammo for my wife to shoot earlier.
After some full-load 230gr factory rounds she 'saw the light', and realized she didn't have to have bunny farts to shoot .45s after all.
Now she kinda LIKES the 185gr bullets over 5.5gr of powder!
To make things even better,these 5.5gr loads run my 1911 with a stock 16# spring. (100%)
Now I am loading the same ammo for both my .45s, and LIFE IS GOOD! :)
 
uncle.45 looks like the wife just gave you a Merry Xmas and a Happier Next Year!
Congrats.

My wife is thinking of a second gun and is considering a 45acp. Most likely a Springfield XD Mod2 like the 9mm she already has.
 
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