Executive Orders

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My executive order thread just got closed and I was told to come over here .

Reading all these post from a month ago is kinda funny . Would any of you like to clairify your last post now . OH what a difference 30 days makes .

Back to the question I had in the other thread

It has to be an adjustment to a current law that is in effect, an Executive order cannot create a new law, all it does is clarify and makes adjustments to how said laws are to be executed. At least that is how I understand it.
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I'm sure there is a law out there that can be adjusted to do just what they want . I don't know much about it but what about the original federal gun legislation making it illegal to own firearms that are full auto and barrels under 16" . Can they just piggy back someting on to that law ?

This is all going to come down to wording and how the wording is interpreted . My guess is they will try to get what ever law past they can and let the NRA fight it in court .
 
IMHO: what we will see is an NFA34 type situation...TAX (revenue yoiu know) the P out of ALL firearms...just low enough to keep the Supremes from saying the TAX infringes...but high enough to be a burden.
 
Silent Bob said:
Holder is now saying Obama may begin EOs to institute gun control measures...
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Actually what Holder is quoted as saying is:
Holder said:
The Obama administration will consider executive actions and specific proposals for legislation as part of its gun policy response...
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That's pretty vague.

The legal reality is that there are limits to what a President can do with Executive Orders, and some of those limits have been discussed in this thread. It's quite possible that as part of implementing the Administration's evolving gun control agenda there will be directions given to ATF, which directions could fall within the scope of things that may be done by Executive Order.

But the fact remains that Executive Orders may not make or change laws or regulations.
 
All he's done so far is appoint a blue-ribbon panel. Referring things to ad hoc committees and panels is a sure-fire way to look like you've done something when you really don't want to do something.
 
committees and panels is a sure-fire way to look like you've done something when you really don't want to do something.
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Although that is often how it works I sure hope your right on this one . I say welcome to the bullet button fellas , at the very least .:(
 
All he's done so far is appoint a blue-ribbon panel. Referring things to ad hoc committees and panels is a sure-fire way to look like you've done something when you really don't want to do something.
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The quote of the day for me was over on the British online paper the Daily Mail

"Now that Vice President Biden has been appointed to the Anti-Violence committee he will no doubt have the NRA disbanded within the next 6 months. This will come as quite a surprise to the National Restaurant Association although.
:p
 
Posted by Tom Servo:
The possibility of any new gun control laws passing through the legislature is almost nil.
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Why is it that so many people are so worried about bans and regulations if your statement is accurate and I sure am hopeful it is?

I hear some reports that this is just more of the same empty threats of gun control and others that we should be very concerned about what they will be able to get pushed through because of the currant climate knee jerk reaction flu the folks in Washington seem to be catching.

I have to say I am more then a bit confused as to what is going to or what can or can not happen in the next coming months?
 
Why is it that so many people are so worried about bans and regulations if your statement is accurate and I sure am hopeful it is?
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Well, it was very accurate when I wrote it. After last Friday, it's slightly less accurate, but I still don't see the votes for new gun control measures.

At this point, it's worth making some phone calls and sending some letters to your congresscritters, just to be sure their heads are still on straight.

After all, they've got a panel. Panels ask questions. Then they print up reports. Then they...you know, I've got no idea what they do after that, because that's usually the end of it.
 
I see Tom I did not pay attention to the date of your original post.

Yes lets hope that the right people are still using their heads.

I will be sending letters this weekend to those "Critters".
 
The UN treaty would do nothing to gun ownership in the US. Unless you are getting your guns from an illegal source in which case you are not following the law anyway. The NRA uses this as a fundraiser but it has no basis in reality. Tin foil hat stuff.

There will be a push for gun control but nothing will pass its political suicide for to many politicians on both sides. All that the anti's have accomplished is to sell a heck of a lot of guns, ammo and magazines making tons of money for the gun companies.
 
There will be a push for gun control but nothing will pass its political suicide for to many politicians on both sides.
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Sometimes I just want to scream and yell at me TV when I read this kinda of stuff

20 children are DEAD as much as you and I know the man did this and not the gun . This was a game changer , if it wasn't the shelves would still be full of all kinds of AR stuff . I sure hope I'm wrong but on this one I don't think so .
 
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The NRA uses this as a fundraiser but it has no basis in reality. Tin foil hat stuff.
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At this point, there is a chance of something getting passed. It's slim, but if the right pressure is applied to the right politicians, something could come of it.

In any case, this is a thread about Executive Orders. If we want to discuss potential legislation in the wake of Sandy Hook, there are other threads open for that.
 
We'll have to wait a few days to see what the Chicago politician can or can't do. But so far the term "legal" really hasn't been an issue of concern for him. Sounds like a bad re-play of Illinois law on steroids. We keep saying they can't take that or do that, but they do anyway.
 
We keep saying they can't take that or do that, but they do anyway.
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Agree, while this is not the time to panic we must expect anything from this administration prior to the past 4 years I was naive in thinking we had some safe guards built in but I see that is not true.

One thing I suggest is joining the NRA and/or any second amendment group, money talks the Hollywood left pours money into DC and very little is done in curbing violent movies/video games so folks in the shooting sport need to open the wallets(money talks) and support our hobby big time.
 
I've already sent off my letters to my respective reps in congress and such. I plan on trying to join the NRA as soon as possible as well. This is something I'll definitely be fight for.
 
I'm not as familiar with EO's, but as I understand it after reading Tom's original post, Obama can enact legislation that further makes the current gun laws stricter.

I'm thinking since there's already a high-cap ban in certain states like CA, he will attempt to expand it nationwide.

He may also make background checks mandatory for every firearm sale including private sales. This would be tough but if caught, they will institute some sort of punishment/fine/jailtime.

Another is by possibly taxing or raising prices on ammo and mags, and limiting ammo purchases i.e. 6boxes of ammo per person at a time.

This is all speculation of course. I'm no expert but I had a in-depth discussion with my brother-in-law who just finished law school and he gave me the finer points of an EO.
 
Justice06RR said:
...Obama can enact legislation that further makes the current gun laws stricter.

I'm thinking since there's already a high-cap ban in certain states like CA, he will attempt to expand it nationwide.

He may also make background checks mandatory for every firearm sale including private sales. This would be tough but if caught, they will institute some sort of punishment/fine/jailtime.

Another is by possibly taxing or raising prices on ammo and mags, and limiting ammo purchases i.e. 6boxes of ammo per person at a time...
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Absolutely none of that can be done by Executive Order.

Justice06RR said:
...This is all speculation of course. I'm no expert but I had a in-depth discussion with my brother-in-law who just finished law school and he gave me the finer points of an EO...
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If you got the impression from your brother that Obama could do all that by Executive Order, either you didn't fully understand your brother or he needs a bit more education on Executive Orders.

BTW, I finished law school over 35 years ago and practiced law for more than thirty years, until I retired in 2007.
 
as I understand it after reading Tom's original post, Obama can enact legislation that further makes the current gun laws stricter.
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That's the opposite of what I said. I mean, the total opposite. All he can do is direct stricter enforcement of current laws.
 
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